Do you think Pac is on Peds?

[CFH]

I don't think he is any more or less medically enhanced than any other top-level boxer.

[Julius Rain]

I don't think he is any more or less medically enhanced than any other top-level boxer.

Dang CFH right when I posted this thread you already have a comment

Super MOD powers are awesome!

[Fenster]

Has he ever tested positive for anything? I believe not.

If he ever does i'll re-evaluate his career. Until then he is a modern-day legend that doesn't deserve these drug accusations.

(mafiajoeydeacon will be fuming)

[Gandalf]

I am suspicious, I can't help but be suspicious. He refused to do a drug test originally and cited all kinds of weird excuses. And to cap it all he has gone up in weight carrying not only his speed, but seemingly a lot more power. He has been knocking people out cold or else breaking orbital bones (twice) and now he has gone and hit Mosley in a way that he has never felt before. Manny is either supernatural or else using PED's. I even have my doubts whether Superman could stand up to him now.

[Boxer4life]

i was suspicious...until this "new evidence" came out, and made me realize how silly all this is

[Howlin Mad Missy]

regardless of whether he is using or not and natural ability aside, as Miles has stated it is highly unusual for any athlete to move up in weight and keep the same speed - if not more so AND increase their power. It just doesn't happen.

[erics44]

i dunno

his refusal excuses were suspicious and i dont buy the bowing to floyds demand argument

im not voting tho coz im not sure and im not anti pacman

[marbleheadmaui]

regardless of whether he is using or not and natural ability aside, as Miles has stated it is highly unusual for any athlete to move up in weight and keep the same speed - if not more so AND increase their power. It just doesn't happen.

Actually in boxing there are several historical examples. Jimmy McLarnin started at 112 and won the 147 crown with a KO1. Sam Langfrod began at 135 and KO'd HOF heavyweights. Mickey Walker began at lightweight and KO'd ranked heavies. George Carpentier fought in every division that existed.

It is rare, not unprecedented.

[fan johnny]

He's already been tested a number of times for substances and came out clean. Most of the drugs that is being used by athletes doesn't work for boxers. If you want to do a little reading do some searching for "Confessions of a Steroid user" and the like. The reason I suggest it is because it is the only source of information that is not tainted by opinion or wanting to sell you something and dispense of the myths being created by rumor. So unless someone can point out some tangible evidence, I don't see any reason to believe he does.

[Gandalf]

And I am abstaining from voting as I am suspicious and nothing more. There is just something not right about Manny Pac, but I cannot say he is on them as it is just a hunch. I would need more concrete evidence rather than pointers indicating that it just might be the case.

[AdamGB]

Not testing positive on a specific and prewarned day and not being 'bigger' are meaningless.

EPO and ephedra aren't going to make you bigger and like most drugs, won't show up on a test if you're smart and know when you're going to have a sample taken.

Too much broscience in this thread, most of you aren't knowledgable enough to make all of these statements, if you think that anecdotal evidence of PED use would be the same for an athlete taking PEDs for performance as it would a gym rat taking them for aesthetics then you need to educate yourself further. Manny is no less drugged than the rest of them...

If you want to put faith in the same drug testing that failed to catch shane mosely then you're just putting your head in the sand.