WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[Addicted to Boxing]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

I like your analogy but it does not take an opponents health into consideration. The more apt analogy is a child that habitually rubs his groin area is perceived to be a victim by child abuse by child services and school faculty. The parents are called into question and their integrity means nothing. What matters is the the child's safety. Which in this this unprecedent situation has PAC jumping up many weights and hitting opponents harder than than that have ever been hit ( they claim) by fighters of that natural weight class. There is a saying that is it seems to be to good there's probably something wrong. Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

[brocktonblockbust]

 Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

I am the OP and your perspective is exactly what I am referring to as abusive and dangerous. This perspective of "we have to do what is best for one's safety" is dangerous precisely because once the STATE takes on that Big Brother role, there is no limit, the sky is the limit.

If there is even a 0.00000002% chance that that man over there in the airport is a terrorist, we must now accept that "better safe than sorry" bullshit, and the TSA gets to stick their hands down everyone's pants before boarding an airliner.

[Pavlik]

the mayweathers are unimpressed with pac's string of victories over larger but "flawed" foes. then if that's the case why are they worried.

[marbleheadmaui]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

I like your analogy but it does not take an opponents health into consideration. The more apt analogy is a child that habitually rubs his groin area is perceived to be a victim by child abuse by child services and school faculty. The parents are called into question and their integrity means nothing. What matters is the the child's safety. Which in this this unprecedent situation has PAC jumping up many weights and hitting opponents harder than than that have ever been hit ( they claim) by fighters of that natural weight class. There is a saying that is it seems to be to good there's probably something wrong. Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

I don't think that quite works. I mean Floyd is the one rubbing his groin and they've never been in the ring together. The authorities wouldn't take someone off the street who has never been alone with the child and prosecute.