Damn if you do Damn if you Dont

[AdamGB]

But they have side affects!... (just like everything else).

Alcohol is harmful, smoking is harmful... more so than 'steroids', yet we are given the choice of whether to use those or not.

At least when a professional athlete does it - it's for their job... it's their livelyhood... it's supporting their families

This is a great documentary (part 1... the rest is on youtube) and a good PED 101 for the uninformed:



I'd not taken anything outside of dietary supplements, my knowledge isn't great when it comes to endocrinology and the risks aren't worth it... I exercise for myself only and I am making progress... if I had to do it for my livelihood would I? Fuck yes.

Job hazard... just like being a solider... a firefighter... even working on a building site, they all of risks and it is up to you to judge whether or not to take them.

Fuck we can drink, smoke, eat fatty foods, we can risk surgery for vain, cosmetic reasons... we can bungee jump and skydive for fun... but professional athletes can't take PEDs?

If you have a headache you'd take a painkiller... fuck I'll tell you an awful drug - the antidepressants that half of the world are on... they're fine and PEDs aren't though... right?

[Pavlik]

But they have side affects!... (just like everything else).

Alcohol is harmful, smoking is harmful... more so than 'steroids', yet we are given the choice of whether to use those or not.

At least when a professional athlete does it - it's for their job... it's their livelyhood... it's supporting their families

This is a great documentary (part 1... the rest is on youtube) and a good PED 101 for the uninformed:



I'd not taken anything outside of dietary supplements, my knowledge isn't great when it comes to endocrinology and the risks aren't worth it... I exercise for myself only and I am making progress... if I had to do it for my livelihood would I? Fuck yes.

Job hazard... just like being a solider... a firefighter... even working on a building site, they all of risks and it is up to you to judge whether or not to take them.

Fuck we can drink, smoke, eat fatty foods, we can risk surgery for vain, cosmetic reasons... we can bungee jump and skydive for fun... but professional athletes can't take PEDs?

If you have a headache you'd take a painkiller... fuck I'll tell you an awful drug - the antidepressants that half of the world are on... they're fine and PEDs aren't though... right?

dude educate me, increase in power/strength requires hypertrophy right that means demonstrable size increase, if pac was on peds how come he did not get any bigger?

[Pavlik]

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if this is bogus testing how come it's still a standard?

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/pacquiao-...121851244.html

PACQUIAO, MOSLEY PASS -- Pacquiao and Mosley passed their postfight drug tests, Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer said.Both fighters tested negative for steroids, performance-enhancing drugs, recreational drugs and diuretics. Pacquiao, who has been accused of using PEDs -- most recently last week by a former sparring partner -- has never failed a drug test.
Kizer also said Jorge Arce and Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. passed their drug tests. Arce defeated Vazquez by technical knockout to win the WBC super bantamweight title on the May 7 undercard.

[Pavlik]

although it's got nothing to do with the technicalities of drug testing, it's just weird to see the naturally bigger man(PBF) having all the physical advantages over PAC demand testing, as if he's fighting king-kong.

[AdamGB]

But they have side affects!... (just like everything else).

Alcohol is harmful, smoking is harmful... more so than 'steroids', yet we are given the choice of whether to use those or not.

At least when a professional athlete does it - it's for their job... it's their livelyhood... it's supporting their families

This is a great documentary (part 1... the rest is on youtube) and a good PED 101 for the uninformed:



I'd not taken anything outside of dietary supplements, my knowledge isn't great when it comes to endocrinology and the risks aren't worth it... I exercise for myself only and I am making progress... if I had to do it for my livelihood would I? Fuck yes.

Job hazard... just like being a solider... a firefighter... even working on a building site, they all of risks and it is up to you to judge whether or not to take them.

Fuck we can drink, smoke, eat fatty foods, we can risk surgery for vain, cosmetic reasons... we can bungee jump and skydive for fun... but professional athletes can't take PEDs?

If you have a headache you'd take a painkiller... fuck I'll tell you an awful drug - the antidepressants that half of the world are on... they're fine and PEDs aren't though... right?

dude educate me, increase in power/strength requires hypertrophy right that means demonstrable size increase, if pac was on peds how come he did not get any bigger?

He didn't have to get bigger... an increase in strength is not always correlated with hypertrophy. A muscle's maximimuim force generation is controled by many more variables than fibre size... the central nervous system, hormonal balance etc... a muscle doesn't have to grow in size to be able to have greater output.

Erythropoietin is a steroid that increases the production of red blood cells... leading to an increase in oxygen transfusion, Aerobic endurance and lactic threshold... an athlete isn't going to get bigger using it.

An athlete who uses PEDs to further develop the size an strength of his myocardial wall (heart muscles) isn't going to see an increase in body mass... performance can improve without size improving. to think that PEDs are only used to improve skeletal muscle size is very niave.

and again, sporting bodies use weak standard testing because the product that they sell is spectacle... the goverment needs a demon to chase in the war against drugs... steroids ended up being one of them... sporting bodies do half arsed testing because steroids are good for business, they don't want rid of them... less spectacle, less business.

Shane Mosley (an admitted user of banned PEDs) has also never failed a drug test.

[Pavlik]

But they have side affects!... (just like everything else).

Alcohol is harmful, smoking is harmful... more so than 'steroids', yet we are given the choice of whether to use those or not.

At least when a professional athlete does it - it's for their job... it's their livelyhood... it's supporting their families

This is a great documentary (part 1... the rest is on youtube) and a good PED 101 for the uninformed:



I'd not taken anything outside of dietary supplements, my knowledge isn't great when it comes to endocrinology and the risks aren't worth it... I exercise for myself only and I am making progress... if I had to do it for my livelihood would I? Fuck yes.

Job hazard... just like being a solider... a firefighter... even working on a building site, they all of risks and it is up to you to judge whether or not to take them.

Fuck we can drink, smoke, eat fatty foods, we can risk surgery for vain, cosmetic reasons... we can bungee jump and skydive for fun... but professional athletes can't take PEDs?

If you have a headache you'd take a painkiller... fuck I'll tell you an awful drug - the antidepressants that half of the world are on... they're fine and PEDs aren't though... right?

dude educate me, increase in power/strength requires hypertrophy right that means demonstrable size increase, if pac was on peds how come he did not get any bigger?

He didn't have to get bigger... an increase in strength is not always correlated with hypertrophy. A muscle's maximimuim force generation is controled by many more variables than fibre size... the central nervous system, hormonal balance etc... a muscle doesn't have to grow in size to be able to have greater output.

Erythropoietin is a steroid that increases the production of red blood cells... leading to an increase in oxygen transfusion, Aerobic endurance and lactic threshold... an athlete isn't going to get bigger using it.

An athlete who uses PEDs to further develop the size an strength of his myocardial wall (heart muscles) isn't going to see an increase in body mass... performance can improve without size improving. to think that PEDs are only used to improve skeletal muscle size is very niave.

and again, sporting bodies use weak standard testing because the product that they sell is spectacle... the goverment needs a demon to chase in the war against drugs... steroids ended up being one of them... sporting bodies do half arsed testing because steroids are good for business, they don't want rid of them... less spectacle, less business.

Shane Mosley (an admitted user of banned PEDs) has also never failed a drug test.

so it's more geared towards stamina than power=Erythropoietin
fair enough.
Pac always had great stamina though right

[Pavlik]

Adam I just thought PAC's recent improvements were because of his lateral movements, more use of the right hand................ skill wise. Not his stamina.

[Hornfinger]

Yes i can see the point in legalization.

Althought the next two problems you have is the out cry when athletes start dying of a young age because of liver, heart and other organ failure.

Other unknown side effects

Sport will then be dropped to a level of whoever can afford the most potent roids wins, OR who's body can take the most chemicals without dying wins. It becaomes less about the actual sport.

Then you have the problem of young kids taking steroids to emmulate their heros...