If Martinez is the best fighter in the sport how about fighting Ward, Kessler, Froch,

[Pavlik]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.

Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

Miles Pac walk in weight is 148 lb, Sergio is 171 lbs, thats a whopping 23 lbs. Pac couldnt even make the wellterweight max. Flatout unfair. If I my ask why dont Sergio move up and fight Andre Ward to prove he is the workds best?

[fan johnny]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.

Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

Miles Pac walk in weight is 148 lb, Sergio is 171 lbs, thats a whopping 23 lbs. Pac couldnt even make the wellterweight max. Flatout unfair. If I my ask why dont Sergio move up and fight Andre Ward to prove he is the workds best?

No mega money in it!

[Rantcatrat]

I don't make it a habit of putting people down for not moving up in weight. For example, I wouldn't give Pacquiao grief for not fighting Martinez. Would it be great for his legacy? Sure, if he beat Martinez, he might make it into the top 10 ATG, either way, we would have witnessed something unparalleled in boxing. In fact, I'd give Pacquiao credit just for taking on Martinez, if he beat him, it would be ridiculous.

Back to Martinez, Martinez has options at middleweight. If he has a few more years in the sport, I don't see why he wouldn't clean out the division before moving up. He only just got to middleweight. I actually think Sturm is a good fight and so is Geale for that matter after his win over Sylvester. There is nothing wrong with cleaning out a division and Sturm has been a champion in the division at one time or another for quite a while. I disagree with Marble, I wouldn't categorize Sturm as a bum, a cherry picker, sure, but not a bum. I also don't think of Sergio as a big middleweight. He's grown into being a middleweight, but a big middleweight, he is not. And if Arthur Abraham was small at 68', Sergio is even smaller because he fought most of his career at 147/154 where AA fought it at 160.

Can someone point me to a boxer that Pacquiao has ducked at or around his weight class? Who do you want to see him fight at welterweight or junior welterweight? Three months ago, I wanted to see him fight Andre Berto, now clearly, that would have been a blow out. I just can't point to anyone. If you look at the ring rankings, there isn't one interesting fight at or around his weight class other than Timothy Bradley. And I think he if beats Marquez, Bradley will be his next opponent. He's effectively cleaned out the welterweight division. I recall a few years ago I criticized Mayweather for not fighting the best at welterweight, but instead fighting Hatton, a real junior welterweight, at welterweight. I can't make that same criticism of Pacquiao and that means something, I think.

[Rantcatrat]

Can one of the mods prevent MafiaJoey from posting about Pacquiao? I would love to discuss with him the best at 68' or at 75', but he's gone overboard with his hatred for all things Pacquiao. Maybe you should make a board just for him so he can sit and put down Pacquiao all day? He never posts about anything else. He doesn't even have anything new or constructive to add. It's tired, man, very, very tired. Moreover, it's consistently ad hominum crap from him, referring to people as Pactards and the like. In reality, he's the only Pactard in here. No one else talks about Pacquiao half as much as he does.

As an aside, I don't agree with Miles opinion on Pacquiao, but at least he attempt to apply logic. And in Miles defense, at least Miles acknowledges the greatness in Pacqiao, even if he disputes how great he is.

[marbleheadmaui]

I don't make it a habit of putting people down for not moving up in weight. For example, I wouldn't give Pacquiao grief for not fighting Martinez. Would it be great for his legacy? Sure, if he beat Martinez, he might make it into the top 10 ATG, either way, we would have witnessed something unparalleled in boxing. In fact, I'd give Pacquiao credit just for taking on Martinez, if he beat him, it would be ridiculous.

Back to Martinez, Martinez has options at middleweight. If he has a few more years in the sport, I don't see why he wouldn't clean out the division before moving up. He only just got to middleweight. I actually think Sturm is a good fight and so is Geale for that matter after his win over Sylvester. There is nothing wrong with cleaning out a division and Sturm has been a champion in the division at one time or another for quite a while. I disagree with Marble, I wouldn't categorize Sturm as a bum, a cherry picker, sure, but not a bum. I also don't think of Sergio as a big middleweight. He's grown into being a middleweight, but a big middleweight, he is not. And if Arthur Abraham was small at 68', Sergio is even smaller because he fought most of his career at 147/154 where AA fought it at 160.

Can someone point me to a boxer that Pacquiao has ducked at or around his weight class? Who do you want to see him fight at welterweight or junior welterweight? Three months ago, I wanted to see him fight Andre Berto, now clearly, that would have been a blow out. I just can't point to anyone. If you look at the ring rankings, there isn't one interesting fight at or around his weight class other than Timothy Bradley. And I think he if beats Marquez, Bradley will be his next opponent. He's effectively cleaned out the welterweight division. I recall a few years ago I criticized Mayweather for not fighting the best at welterweight, but instead fighting Hatton, a real junior welterweight, at welterweight. I can't make that same criticism of Pacquiao and that means something, I think.

Just to be clear. Most of the members of Joe Louis Bum of the Month Club weren't bums either.

[mafiajoey]

Question for all of you........



"IF" Martinez could make 154 you would still have excuses for Pac? He fought Margo at Junior Middleweight 154lb

Sounds like Catch weight comes with "Catch" terms, "Catch" intentions, "Catch" agendas, "Catch" excuses and the biggest "Catch" is it's easy to see who likes to use stats to there advantage when describing his accomplishments but want's to avoid them when it concerns a threat to him.

As much as you guys consider me a Pac hater I really don't see Martinez beating Pac as easily as you think. Pac is amazing when in a war. He does better when hit.... I think Pac wins.

[:::PSL:::]

Martinez won't fight them.

High risk, Low reward.

[KKisser]

that's true, it's actually all about the money. that's is why martinez keeps calling floyd and pacquiao coz they're smaller guys who he feels he'd have an easier job of beating for the biggest payday of his career, which is nowhere near what he'd get fighting those other guys.

[CutMeMick]

Simple, cuz it takes 2 to tango...
Wards busy in the S6 and so is Froch.

I'm a huge Kess fan possibly the biggest fan on this side of the Atlantic.
But I'm certain he would want no part of Sergio as a comeback fight from an injury.

Bute & SHO already have his next 3 fights penciled in and they have a rough idea of the opponents. I'd bet my left ball that Sergio is not one of the names they have on there.

[CutMeMick]

I forgot to mention that I think if he does move up he should fight Steiglitz to get his feet wet as I think that Sergio has what it takes to beat him...