If Martinez is the best fighter in the sport how about fighting Ward, Kessler, Froch,

[captainanddew]

someone explain to me how Pac is a Welterweight.
He is beating welterweights but he is the same size as some of the bigger guys at 135 and smaller than most of the elite guys at 140.

Berto's weight when in the ring vs Ortiz (147 pound weigh in)-155
Ortiz's weight when in the ring vs Berto (147 pound weigh in)-161
Cotto's weight vs Urkal in 2007 (147 pound weigh in) -157 pounds
Clottey's weight vs Zab Judah (147 pound weigh in) 156 pounds
Pac's weight vs Margacheato- 148 pounds

Which one looks out of place? Full fledged welter my ass. He just isn't dehydrating any and is eating up to the weigh in.
How about some lightweights (135 pound weigh in)

Brandon Rios's weight vs Peterson (135 pound weigh in) 151 pounds; Rios wasn't in great shape but he probably still comes into the ring around 147 or 148 even when in pretty good shape for 135
Marquez's weight vs Katsidis (135 pound weigh in) 145

I could waste my time looking for guys who have a weigh in limit of 140, but we all know many of them are going to weigh more than Pac does when he gets into the ring.

[JazMerkin]

someone explain to me how Pac is a Welterweight.
He is beating welterweights but he is the same size as some of the bigger guys at 135 and smaller than most of the elite guys at 140.

Berto's weight when in the ring vs Ortiz (147 pound weigh in)-155
Ortiz's weight when in the ring vs Berto (147 pound weigh in)-161
Cotto's weight vs Urkal in 2007 (147 pound weigh in) -157 pounds
Clottey's weight vs Zab Judah (147 pound weigh in) 156 pounds
Pac's weight vs Margacheato- 148 pounds

Which one looks out of place? Full fledged welter my ass. He just isn't dehydrating any and is eating up to the weigh in.
How about some lightweights (135 pound weigh in)

Brandon Rios's weight vs Peterson (135 pound weigh in) 151 pounds; Rios wasn't in great shape but he probably still comes into the ring around 147 or 148 even when in pretty good shape for 135
Marquez's weight vs Katsidis (135 pound weigh in) 145

I could waste my time looking for guys who have a weigh in limit of 140, but we all know many of them are going to weigh more than Pac does when he gets into the ring.

Well, what he does is that he weighs in at about 144-145 lbs for his fights. That's above the Light-Welter limit so he's a welterweight. His height or build has little to do with it. You've used fight night weights, but you've left out Mayweather who, according to Ring Magazine's July/August 2010 issue, came into the fight against Mosely at 149 lbs. Does that mean he's not a welterweight?

I believe Manny could make 140, but I doubt he makes 135 again, especially the amount of muscle mass he's put on. In fact, doesn't it show something when the 'biggest' of the guys you've posted is the one who has just moved up from 140 lbs. If Ortiz fought Clottey would you argue that the Ghanaian is just beating up on a bigger guy?

[captainanddew]

someone explain to me how Pac is a Welterweight.
He is beating welterweights but he is the same size as some of the bigger guys at 135 and smaller than most of the elite guys at 140.

Berto's weight when in the ring vs Ortiz (147 pound weigh in)-155
Ortiz's weight when in the ring vs Berto (147 pound weigh in)-161
Cotto's weight vs Urkal in 2007 (147 pound weigh in) -157 pounds
Clottey's weight vs Zab Judah (147 pound weigh in) 156 pounds
Pac's weight vs Margacheato- 148 pounds

Which one looks out of place? Full fledged welter my ass. He just isn't dehydrating any and is eating up to the weigh in.
How about some lightweights (135 pound weigh in)

Brandon Rios's weight vs Peterson (135 pound weigh in) 151 pounds; Rios wasn't in great shape but he probably still comes into the ring around 147 or 148 even when in pretty good shape for 135
Marquez's weight vs Katsidis (135 pound weigh in) 145

I could waste my time looking for guys who have a weigh in limit of 140, but we all know many of them are going to weigh more than Pac does when he gets into the ring.

Well, what he does is that he weighs in at about 144-145 lbs for his fights. That's above the Light-Welter limit so he's a welterweight. His height or build has little to do with it. You've used fight night weights, but you've left out Mayweather who, according to Ring Magazine's July/August 2010 issue, came into the fight against Mosely at 149 lbs. Does that mean he's not a welterweight?

I believe Manny could make 140, but I doubt he makes 135 again, especially the amount of muscle mass he's put on. In fact, doesn't it show something when the 'biggest' of the guys you've posted is the one who has just moved up from 140 lbs. If Ortiz fought Clottey would you argue that the Ghanaian is just beating up on a bigger guy?

what muscle mass? He's only 3 pounds bigger when he walks in the ring!!!

[JazMerkin]

someone explain to me how Pac is a Welterweight.
He is beating welterweights but he is the same size as some of the bigger guys at 135 and smaller than most of the elite guys at 140.

Berto's weight when in the ring vs Ortiz (147 pound weigh in)-155
Ortiz's weight when in the ring vs Berto (147 pound weigh in)-161
Cotto's weight vs Urkal in 2007 (147 pound weigh in) -157 pounds
Clottey's weight vs Zab Judah (147 pound weigh in) 156 pounds
Pac's weight vs Margacheato- 148 pounds

Which one looks out of place? Full fledged welter my ass. He just isn't dehydrating any and is eating up to the weigh in.
How about some lightweights (135 pound weigh in)

Brandon Rios's weight vs Peterson (135 pound weigh in) 151 pounds; Rios wasn't in great shape but he probably still comes into the ring around 147 or 148 even when in pretty good shape for 135
Marquez's weight vs Katsidis (135 pound weigh in) 145

I could waste my time looking for guys who have a weigh in limit of 140, but we all know many of them are going to weigh more than Pac does when he gets into the ring.

Well, what he does is that he weighs in at about 144-145 lbs for his fights. That's above the Light-Welter limit so he's a welterweight. His height or build has little to do with it. You've used fight night weights, but you've left out Mayweather who, according to Ring Magazine's July/August 2010 issue, came into the fight against Mosely at 149 lbs. Does that mean he's not a welterweight?

I believe Manny could make 140, but I doubt he makes 135 again, especially the amount of muscle mass he's put on. In fact, doesn't it show something when the 'biggest' of the guys you've posted is the one who has just moved up from 140 lbs. If Ortiz fought Clottey would you argue that the Ghanaian is just beating up on a bigger guy?

what muscle mass? He's only 3 pounds bigger when he walks in the ring!!!

He's not carrying 10 lbs of water weight, you can tell that looking at his body. Look at him in the ring for the Oscar fight compared to the Mosley one and he looks noticeably bigger. He's grown into the weight particularly over the last 18 months. Like I said, he could make 140, but not 135, at least not comfortably.

[holmcall]

Martinez is not the best fighter in the sport.