If Martinez is the best fighter in the sport how about fighting Ward, Kessler, Froch,

[Gandalf]

Too much quoting going on here.

GB, I have answered this before. Too much cutting is not a good thing and that's why I am not suggesting anything as mad as cutting to 135 to make the fight. All I have suggested is a compromise whereby one goes up a bit and the other comes down.

In suggesting that you have give and take in order to accomodate two fighters who are used to different weigh in's.

I don't see how that can be considered in any way unfair or unreasonable. However, all you get are the 'Pac is god and Marquez must kneel if he wants the fight' arguments. That to me is grotesquely unfair.

[marbleheadmaui]

Too much quoting going on here.

GB, I have answered this before. Too much cutting is not a good thing and that's why I am not suggesting anything as mad as cutting to 135 to make the fight. All I have suggested is a compromise whereby one goes up a bit and the other comes down.

In suggesting that you have give and take in order to accomodate two fighters who are used to different weigh in's.

I don't see how that can be considered in any way unfair or unreasonable. However, all you get are the 'Pac is god and Marquez must kneel if he wants the fight' arguments. That to me is grotesquely unfair.

My own view seems to have gotten lost here. Let me summarize.
1) Best fight would be for the 135 lineal belt and I think Manny could make it without hurting his performance. Given that, 140 won't impair Manny either and so it serves no incremental purpose I can see.
2) Under any weight limit we've mentioned, these two men will fight in the ring withing 3-4 pounds of one another anyway so a lot of this is much ado about nothing

3) 140 vs. 144 I think is immaterial and I'm equally unhappy with either

Now what were we arguing again?

[miron_lang]

My own view seems to have gotten lost here. Let me summarize.
1) Best fight would be for the 135 lineal belt and I think Manny could make it without hurting his performance. Given that, 140 won't impair Manny either and so it serves no incremental purpose I can see.
2) Under any weight limit we've mentioned, these two men will fight in the ring withing 3-4 pounds of one another anyway so a lot of this is much ado about nothing

3) 140 vs. 144 I think is immaterial and I'm equally unhappy with either

Now what were we arguing again?

He said fight should be at 140 and you object

[marbleheadmaui]

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He said fight should be at 140 and you object

Really? Geeze I was a real moron when I did that huh?

[Gandalf]

My own view seems to have gotten lost here. Let me summarize.
1) Best fight would be for the 135 lineal belt and I think Manny could make it without hurting his performance. Given that, 140 won't impair Manny either and so it serves no incremental purpose I can see.
2) Under any weight limit we've mentioned, these two men will fight in the ring withing 3-4 pounds of one another anyway so a lot of this is much ado about nothing

3) 140 vs. 144 I think is immaterial and I'm equally unhappy with either

Now what were we arguing again?

He said fight should be at 140 and you object

Haha, that's it in a nutshell.

I just think it was the fairest thing to do. It would appease all sides. What we have is Manny dictating everything and so the forums get disgruntled people. All I want as a fan is fair, decent scraps and considering both fighters personal and recent history, 140 just seemed the logical place to have it.

Still, it hasn't happened and what is just is. I would have preferred that to what we have, but at the end of the day Marquez is making the decisions and he has gone through with it. I worry that he might get blasted away at this weight and that isn't very fun or fair. The closer the weight to LW is the better for Marquez, 140 would have been fair on both men. 144 is in favour of Manny.

I see Marbleheads argument and he makes good points, but as the fight stands, it doesn't meet my idea of fair simply because both men fight in different divisions and have fought different types of opponents for 2 years. Marquez simply isn't a WW, whilst Manny is much more a WW.