Quote Originally Posted by Gallegos Boxing Gym View Post
On the USA that is certainly a respectable list. There are about 8 guys with good arguments for the top five and you got five of them.

On Mexico there is a flagrant miss and that is Ruben Olivares who, in my view cannot be lower than #2 and may be number 1. I think Morales may have a claim. But again the exclusing on Olivares is the only obvious flaw.

On PR one could quibble with the order and I think one could replace Cotto with Camacho or Jose Torres and have as good a list, but overall pretty good.

On the Phillipines I think one could arguably replace Dado and Villaflor with Montana or Cefarino or Espinsoa and have as good a list. But again, these are quibbles.

All in all I think you've done good work here.
Yeah, Rockabye Ruben. Might have been an oversight. It's just such a deep group. I think Zarate was more dominant as a bantamweight champ against a more demanding group. That's a judgment call, but I never thought Zarate lost at 118, the Pintor decision being a bad one. Olivares was less peerless at 118 if that makes any sense. Preferring Olivares' more voluminous body of work is a very understandable take.

The #5 spot for PR can be taken by a number of fighters. I prefer Cotto's more complete list of wins over the more limited accomplishments of Torres and Camacho. Again, arguments can be made both ways.

For the Philippines, it gets really messy after the top 3. There's a gaggle of great flyweights who fought more or less in the same era (the Dados, Montana) and it's hard to comb through the results to determine the best. For me, Little Dado's best wins and the fact that he didn't lose a ton of fights in his prime like the others seems to give him an edge. I think Ceferino's resume is a little dicey. Luisito had some big wins, but along the way frequently lost to guys he should have beaten, which drops him down a peg. But to put Espinoza ahead of Villaflor is a move I might make. He was just a more special talent, even if Villaflor has a period of dominance that Espinoza never achieved.

I appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.
Zarate's best wins were Zamora, Farerri, Rodolfo Martinez, Benicio Sosa and Dvila. Is that fair? Pretty good group!

Puas' were Sal Burruni, Octavio Gomez, an aging but still formidable Jose Medel, Kanazawa twice, Sakurai, Lionel Rose, Chucho Castillo twice, Pimintel, Bobby Chacon (twice), Art Hafey and JL Ramirez.

I think I'm being fair in saying Puas' conquests were deeper and at the top aren't Rose and Chacon the equal of Zamora and Fererri?