Sergio Martinez, overated slightly?

[killersheep]

Good posts guys. I do agree with you all really, I think he probably is top 4 p4p.

I just don't think he has done a whole lot to get there, but I think that says more about the fact that boxing is a little empty of established superstars right now.

Guys like Mosley, Cotto, Jones Jr, Calzaghe, Hopkins etc are all now past their primes or retired and we are waiting for the future stars to prove themselves.

I do agree Martinez has done as much as anyone to prove himself the best outside of Manny and Floyd.

It's just that if you put Pavlik on with any of the guys at 168, Ward, Froch, Kessler, Bute, maybe Glen Johnson and Dirrell too, he would be a definite underdog. The first four especially would be expected to win.

I know Martinez beat him at 160, but I'm not sure I put a whole lot more into that. He was an alcoholic, he was struggling with the weight etc.

Do we think Martinez would have beaten the Pavlik that battered Edison Miranda and knocked out Jermain Taylor? Or the Taylor that twice beat Hopkins? Or Hopkins himself? Trinidad, or even Artur Abraham at his prime at 160?

Based on his current performances I'm not convinced, I guess that's why I have a job fully supporting him as one of the p4p top 4. I actually think he is, but only because there is a current dearth of stars in boxing.

That's what I'm saying really.

I totally see where you're coming from, but we're in a lull here, as far as better resumes, what do you think of Bradley or even Wlad?

[Kev]

Good posts guys. I do agree with you all really, I think he probably is top 4 p4p.

I just don't think he has done a whole lot to get there, but I think that says more about the fact that boxing is a little empty of established superstars right now.

Guys like Mosley, Cotto, Jones Jr, Calzaghe, Hopkins etc are all now past their primes or retired and we are waiting for the future stars to prove themselves.

I do agree Martinez has done as much as anyone to prove himself the best outside of Manny and Floyd.

It's just that if you put Pavlik on with any of the guys at 168, Ward, Froch, Kessler, Bute, maybe Glen Johnson and Dirrell too, he would be a definite underdog. The first four especially would be expected to win.

I know Martinez beat him at 160, but I'm not sure I put a whole lot more into that. He was an alcoholic, he was struggling with the weight etc.

Do we think Martinez would have beaten the Pavlik that battered Edison Miranda and knocked out Jermain Taylor? Or the Taylor that twice beat Hopkins? Or Hopkins himself? Trinidad, or even Artur Abraham at his prime at 160?

Based on his current performances I'm not convinced, I guess that's why I have a job fully supporting him as one of the p4p top 4. I actually think he is, but only because there is a current dearth of stars in boxing.

That's what I'm saying really.

I totally see where you're coming from, but we're in a lull here, as far as better resumes, what do you think of Bradley or even Wlad?

If heavyweights were given equal merit in p4p rankings then Wlad would have to be up there imo, especially if he beats David Haye. Actually I'd put Haye there too should he win, unified cruiserweight champ, holder of 3 heavyweight belts he would have to go top 4 on merit, it wouldnt even be a question were he fighting in a weightclass outside of heavyweight.

Bradley hasn't beaten a good enough name yet.

I actually agree with Martinez in the top 4, I just think it's a little indictment that boxing is short of some greats right now.