Is the Game Up for Lance Armstrong?

[Captain America]

Lance Armstrong is one of, if not the, most tested athletes in the world.

Does it look like he's dirty when you lay out all the facts, as you have, and take all the first hand testimony from his team mates in to account? Yes!

Has he ever tested positive? No!

If you assume the most tested man out there is dirty based on his skill/ability and hearsay, and not test results, then you must assume every top athlete is using. There is zero hard evidence that Armstrong used PEDs, period. Until he tests dirty, he's not guilty.

[CFH]

Lance Armstrong is one of, if not the, most tested athletes in the world.

Does it look like he's dirty when you lay out all the facts, as you have, and take all the first hand testimony from his team mates in to account? Yes!

Has he ever tested positive? No!

If you assume the most tested man out there is dirty based on his skill/ability and hearsay, and not test results, then you must assume every top athlete is using. There is zero hard evidence that Armstrong used PEDs, period. Until he tests dirty, he's not guilty.

Wasn't there some controversy regarding a dirty test in the past?

[marbleheadmaui]

Lance Armstrong is one of, if not the, most tested athletes in the world.

Does it look like he's dirty when you lay out all the facts, as you have, and take all the first hand testimony from his team mates in to account? Yes!

Has he ever tested positive? No!

If you assume the most tested man out there is dirty based on his skill/ability and hearsay, and not test results, then you must assume every top athlete is using. There is zero hard evidence that Armstrong used PEDs, period. Until he tests dirty, he's not guilty.

Wasn't there some controversy regarding a dirty test in the past?

Yes, he tested positive for a hormone and for EPO from samples taken in 1999. But because the samples were handled in a questionable way Armstrong wasn't sanctioned.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

so Manny is a cheat right? Thought I'd add that since someone will get to it sooner or later

[marbleheadmaui]

Lance Armstrong is one of, if not the, most tested athletes in the world.

Does it look like he's dirty when you lay out all the facts, as you have, and take all the first hand testimony from his team mates in to account? Yes!

Has he ever tested positive? No!

If you assume the most tested man out there is dirty based on his skill/ability and hearsay, and not test results, then you must assume every top athlete is using. There is zero hard evidence that Armstrong used PEDs, period. Until he tests dirty, he's not guilty.

I think you're starting point is dead wrong. Marion Jones NEVER tested dirty, Shane Mosely NEVER tested dirty. The testers are so far behind it isn't funny.

[Captain America]

Lance Armstrong is one of, if not the, most tested athletes in the world.

Does it look like he's dirty when you lay out all the facts, as you have, and take all the first hand testimony from his team mates in to account? Yes!

Has he ever tested positive? No!

If you assume the most tested man out there is dirty based on his skill/ability and hearsay, and not test results, then you must assume every top athlete is using. There is zero hard evidence that Armstrong used PEDs, period. Until he tests dirty, he's not guilty.

I think you're starting point is dead wrong. Marion Jones NEVER tested dirty, Shane Mosely NEVER tested dirty. The testers are so far behind it isn't funny.

So never testing dirty is a sign he might be cheating? If you follow that logic further, anyone on top of their sport whose never tested dirty, just hasn't been caught yet. I get what you're saying about testing being inadequate, but it's all we have to go by at the moment. It's up to his accusers have to prove Armstrong's guilt, and they haven't. Armstrong's passed every test put to him, what more do you want?

[marbleheadmaui]

Lance Armstrong is one of, if not the, most tested athletes in the world.

Does it look like he's dirty when you lay out all the facts, as you have, and take all the first hand testimony from his team mates in to account? Yes!

Has he ever tested positive? No!

If you assume the most tested man out there is dirty based on his skill/ability and hearsay, and not test results, then you must assume every top athlete is using. There is zero hard evidence that Armstrong used PEDs, period. Until he tests dirty, he's not guilty.

I think you're starting point is dead wrong. Marion Jones NEVER tested dirty, Shane Mosely NEVER tested dirty. The testers are so far behind it isn't funny.

So never testing dirty is a sign he might be cheating? If you follow that logic further, anyone on top of their sport whose never tested dirty, just hasn't been caught yet. I get what you're saying about testing being inadequate, but it's all we have to go by at the moment. It's up to his accusers have to prove Armstrong's guilt, and they haven't. Armstrong's passed every test put to him, what more do you want?

No, never testing dirty has no meaning. And it is NOT all we have. I think there is already one hell of a circumstantial case. Add multiple eye-witnesses, at least one of whom is going to be pretty hard to impeach? Sounds like a pretty strong case to me.

[mafiajoey]

Lance Armstrong is one of, if not the, most tested athletes in the world.

Does it look like he's dirty when you lay out all the facts, as you have, and take all the first hand testimony from his team mates in to account? Yes!

Has he ever tested positive? No!

If you assume the most tested man out there is dirty based on his skill/ability and hearsay, and not test results, then you must assume every top athlete is using. There is zero hard evidence that Armstrong used PEDs, period. Until he tests dirty, he's not guilty.

I think you're starting point is dead wrong. Marion Jones NEVER tested dirty, Shane Mosely NEVER tested dirty. The testers are so far behind it isn't funny.

So never testing dirty is a sign he might be cheating? If you follow that logic further, anyone on top of their sport whose never tested dirty, just hasn't been caught yet. I get what you're saying about testing being inadequate, but it's all we have to go by at the moment. It's up to his accusers have to prove Armstrong's guilt, and they haven't. Armstrong's passed every test put to him, what more do you want?

No, never testing dirty has no meaning. And it is NOT all we have. I think there is already one hell of a circumstantial case. Add multiple eye-witnesses, at least one of whom is going to be pretty hard to impeach? Sounds like a pretty strong case to me.

Wow you just kinda proved you have Pacs nuts in your mouth.