Bernard is historically greater than Manny or Floyd

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Pac and Floyd need to get there crap figured out. Compromise on these issues or whatever.

Pac will always have the "drug test" lingering over him shall he keep avoiding it. Pac fans are the only ones who are blind to this.

Floyd will always have the "ducking" lingering over him and most don't care either way. Floyd can't be seriously spoke about in any forum or discussion because Pactards will be the first to jump on him. It's what they specialize in. Anything to get the heat off the test Pac won't take.

Pac and Floyd are behind BHop It takes more then a resume of weight drained has beens. And it takes more then an undefeated record. See there Pactards I see it from both view.



BHop as of now is higher I believe. He never dodged anyone. He never cherry picked like Roy.

Must be why he fought those blown up WWs....

Yeah but that's not fair. He fought welters after he'd whacked out the entire 160 division. By 2001 what middle was he supposed to fight instead of Tito for instance?

How about moving up, like most in history tend to do.

Because that's NOT what most in history have done. These sorts of violent weight movements are a recent phenomenon and a function of two things. 17 divisions instead of eight and as thin a talent pool as the sport has seen for 50 years.

As far as moving up goes? You may have heard about a fight in Montreal tonight?

You asked about 2001.. And in Bhop's era moving up in weight was and is fairly common. Surely he'd know, seeing as how his best wins came against fighters smaller than him. And if we really want to dissect this thing, his win against Tarver, Tarver was clearly weight drained from dropping the weight from filming that Rocky movie. Which only leaves a win over Pascal. Whoopty dooo..

The idea that tonight can EVER be referred to as a Whoopty doo is just a sign of a staggering lack of historical perspective.

There's no lack of anything. I acknowledged what hopkins has done in another thread already. Just not going to get all hyperbolic about it like most do right after the fights. It's like after a fighter that someone is supporting wins, they come right to forum for some "after sex i love you" talk.