Two Questions

[IamInuit]

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it. I guess I'm out of my mind. Brilliant response.

Some of them have been discussed in countless debates. I don't need to go over them again. So how about you be kind enough and tell what makes Jeff Fenech an ATG

I said from the the start that this topic is subjective and people might disagree. So I'll just leave it at that. He's in the hall of fame and is a three division champion. Again like I said I made my list and never expected it to be perfect.

So who are the other ATG's since Sullivan iyo? Run down your list since 1879.

[Violent Demise]

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it. I guess I'm out of my mind. Brilliant response.

Some of them have been discussed in countless debates. I don't need to go over them again. So how about you be kind enough and tell what makes Jeff Fenech an ATG

I said from the the start that this topic is subjective and people might disagree. So I'll just leave it at that. He's in the hall of fame and is a three division champion. Again like I said I made my list and never expected it to be perfect.

So who are the other ATG's since Sullivan iyo? Run down your list since 1879.

You got most of them them. So there's no need to repeat them. I already stated I would exclude Patterson, Buchanan, Rosario, Fenech, Calzaghe and Calderon from your list. And it really that's not hard to do. While they may be HOF I can't for the life of me make a case for any of them being ATG's. And that bothers me saying that about Rosario. But it is what it is. A couple of fighters absent from your list that I feel are without a doubt ATG's are Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ike Williams, Eusebio Pedroza, Carlos Zarate and Bob Foster. I understand Boxings had many great fighters. And there's always gonna be some left out of some lists. But really I'm always shocked when I see Whitaker and Lopez left off.

[IamInuit]

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it. I guess I'm out of my mind. Brilliant response.

Some of them have been discussed in countless debates. I don't need to go over them again. So how about you be kind enough and tell what makes Jeff Fenech an ATG

I said from the the start that this topic is subjective and people might disagree. So I'll just leave it at that. He's in the hall of fame and is a three division champion. Again like I said I made my list and never expected it to be perfect.

So who are the other ATG's since Sullivan iyo? Run down your list since 1879.

You got most of them them. So there's no need to repeat them. I already stated I would exclude Patterson, Buchanan, Rosario, Fenech, Calzaghe and Calderon from your list. And it really that's not hard to do. While they may be HOF I can't for the life of me make a case for any of them being ATG's. And that bothers me saying that about Rosario. But it is what it is. A couple of fighters absent from your list that I feel are without a doubt ATG's are Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ike Williams, Eusebio Pedroza, Carlos Zarate and Bob Foster. I understand Boxings had many great fighters. And there's always gonna be some left out of some lists. But really I'm always shocked when I see Whitaker and Lopez left off.

Fair enough.

[Mr140]

Atg list are hard I mean to me Ali should be rated above Robinson. I said this before and say it again if you are heavyweight champion of the world means he could beat pretty much anybody. Since Ali is probably rated best heavyweight in the history of sport then I think he is greatest not Robinson. I have few other things i look at when trying to figure who i consider a atg but i will have to get back to you.

[marbleheadmaui]

Atg list are hard I mean to me Ali should be rated above Robinson. I said this before and say it again if you are heavyweight champion of the world means he could beat pretty much anybody. Since Ali is probably rated best heavyweight in the history of sport then I think he is greatest not Robinson. I have few other things i look at when trying to figure who i consider a atg but i will have to get back to you.

Yeah but if we do it that way? Robinson isn't second, he's more like 100th. I mean does Ray beat Wladimir Klitschko? Well maybe he does but is THAT the comparisons we want to make? Where size is everything?

Boxing has been broken into divisions for 150 years for a reason hasn't it?

[Mr140]

Yea i not saying every heavyweight but i mean the elite Heavys to me i would rank higher then other weight classes. I mean thats why pound for pound for me is kinda stupid thing to do as well.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yea i not saying every heavyweight but i mean the elite Heavys to me i would rank higher then other weight classes. I mean thats why pound for pound for me is kinda stupid thing to do as well.

No that's exactly why p4p makes any sense at all. Because otherwise size alone (or nearly) governs.

Let me try it another way. Who is stronger? 340 pound Hossein Reza Zadeh who can put 1.8x his bodyweight over his head or 132 pound Naseem Souleymanolou who can put 3x his weight over his head?

Doesn't that latter deserve at some kind of recognition?