Two Questions

[Mr140]

Atg list are hard I mean to me Ali should be rated above Robinson. I said this before and say it again if you are heavyweight champion of the world means he could beat pretty much anybody. Since Ali is probably rated best heavyweight in the history of sport then I think he is greatest not Robinson. I have few other things i look at when trying to figure who i consider a atg but i will have to get back to you.

[marbleheadmaui]

Atg list are hard I mean to me Ali should be rated above Robinson. I said this before and say it again if you are heavyweight champion of the world means he could beat pretty much anybody. Since Ali is probably rated best heavyweight in the history of sport then I think he is greatest not Robinson. I have few other things i look at when trying to figure who i consider a atg but i will have to get back to you.

Yeah but if we do it that way? Robinson isn't second, he's more like 100th. I mean does Ray beat Wladimir Klitschko? Well maybe he does but is THAT the comparisons we want to make? Where size is everything?

Boxing has been broken into divisions for 150 years for a reason hasn't it?

[Mr140]

Yea i not saying every heavyweight but i mean the elite Heavys to me i would rank higher then other weight classes. I mean thats why pound for pound for me is kinda stupid thing to do as well.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yea i not saying every heavyweight but i mean the elite Heavys to me i would rank higher then other weight classes. I mean thats why pound for pound for me is kinda stupid thing to do as well.

No that's exactly why p4p makes any sense at all. Because otherwise size alone (or nearly) governs.

Let me try it another way. Who is stronger? 340 pound Hossein Reza Zadeh who can put 1.8x his bodyweight over his head or 132 pound Naseem Souleymanolou who can put 3x his weight over his head?

Doesn't that latter deserve at some kind of recognition?

[Mr140]

Got a point Robinson and Ali is the only one that never really sat right with me. The greatest Heavyweight of all time is not the greatest fighter of all time just sounds silly to me when i think about it.

[marbleheadmaui]

Got a point Robinson and Ali is the only one that never really sat right with me. The greatest Heavyweight of all time is not the greatest fighter of all time just sounds silly to me when i think about it.

In his autobiography Ray Robinson tells a great story about he and Joe Louis when both were serving in the Army during WWII. I don't recall what caused the spat but Robinson got so angry he was ready to throw hands with Louis. And then he says reason overtook him