WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[Hornfinger]

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com

In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!

You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....

No need! I don't hold this position

Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Promise? - follow the link

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.

Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?

Consider yourself owned.

I will never submit to slavery!

In response to the only part that's relevant....

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.


'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....

The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.

You don't It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.

Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.

[Hornfinger]

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.

You don't It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.

Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....

Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.

Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.

I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.

Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.

First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.

Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.

No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.


Just for you...... this is the 2nd time now, i suppose I'll have to post it three more times after this like usual for you to actually grasp it though.....

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....

Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.

Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.

I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.

I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel". When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?

First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.

Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.

No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.

You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?

[Hornfinger]

I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel".

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.


And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Wheres the discreditation of this?

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

I'll tell you where it is, fucking NO WHERE.

If by discredit you mean made yourself look like a pactard that avoids the issues then yes, I agree.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made their accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.

And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.

And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Read my post again. I didn't say that I discredited you. You did that to yourself.

[Hornfinger]

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made there accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.

And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.

And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Read my post again. I didn't say that I discredited you. You did that to yourself.

My old posts pre mayweather may or may not be still buried on this forum they are 4+ years old. Sift through the old post from 4 years ago or ask saddo to help you out. I personally can't because, i'm scared of needles, can't do it because it weakens me, the rules don't tell me i have to do it, will do it but only with 14 days notice.....

But if you need proof of that then why don't you need proof pac is clean?


At least this shows two things. 1, how hippocritical you are and 2, maybe you have learnt something from this and I have in fact educated you and you now don't just take someones word for something. So maybe you'll stop believing athletes that say 'i'm clean' and actually ask or demand some real evidence of it.

Don't ask me to justify something i.e my anti drug history and where my views stem from and then come with the 'spare me the history.....' crap, just because it blows your theory that i only have my opinions because of floyd mayweather. It discredits you (where have i heard that before?) and makes you look like a sore whining baby.

Maybe other posters on here do have a better history in drug free sports. If they choose not to argue their point of view with some pactard prat on a forum thats their business. You're very good at going off on irrelevant tangents aren't you.

You're also good at taking things out of context. I'm not sure if it's deliberate in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the points you can't answer or put a dent in or if it's just cuz you're an idiot.To repeat (common with you ain't it spacker boy) myself. Floyd's request for drug testing before his matches has nothing to do with my views/stance.


I critisised Roy because he failed a test and that there was a question mark over him. Again it's a case of awww diddums the pactard thinks pacquiao is being unfairly critisised. You really sound like a whining baby.

The only reason you're contented with the way testing is at the moment is because it suits you're fighter. If it was pacquiao asking for stricter testing you'd be siding with that. More typical pactard behavior. If you're contented with the way things are I suggest you do some more research.

And as usual your post ends with you saying I'm discredited but with no evidence of it (pactards are just like pacquiao hahahahaha) and you've still not adressed my three key points.

What a surprise

You talk alot but you say nothing.

[fan johnny]

In response to the only part that's relevant....

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.


'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....

The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.

Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.

A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.

[Hornfinger]

In response to the only part that's relevant....

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.


'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....

The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.

Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.

A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.

I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.

I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.

If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.

Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.

[fan johnny]

I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.

I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.

If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.

Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.

If you don't know the meaning of words you shouldn't try to use them. Don't try and write what others would say because you get it wrong. Your mind is completely warped around pacrtard and flomos. None needs to discredit you, you do that just fine all by yourself. You think you grew up and compete in a drug free competition. I guess that could be true if your talking about the kids baseball team.

As I've stated before you come off as a governmental theory conspirest. You stated your bull shit opinion and couldn't back up specifics with simple facts. When you are provided with facts, You partially accept what you think you comprehend and ignore the rest. Join the fukn USADA organization and lobby for federal funds to stop all PED users. You can be the USADA mascot with the "Take the Test" T-Shirt and run around the paying field accusing all the best players of being on PED's.

[Hornfinger]

I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.

I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.

If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.

Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.

If you don't know the meaning of words you shouldn't try to use them. Don't try and write what others would say because you get it wrong. Your mind is completely warped around pacrtard and flomos. None needs to discredit you, you do that just fine all by yourself. You think you grew up and compete in a drug free competition. I guess that could be true if your talking about the kids baseball team.

As I've stated before you come off as a governmental theory conspirest. You stated your bull shit opinion and couldn't back up specifics with simple facts. When you are provided with facts, You partially accept what you think you comprehend and ignore the rest. Join the fukn USADA organization and lobby for federal funds to stop all PED users. You can be the USADA mascot with the "Take the Test" T-Shirt and run around the paying field accusing all the best players of being on PED's.

Plenty of words but nothing said.