WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....

Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.

Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.

I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.

I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel". When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?

First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.

Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.

No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.

You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?

[Hornfinger]

I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel".

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.


And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Wheres the discreditation of this?

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

I'll tell you where it is, fucking NO WHERE.

If by discredit you mean made yourself look like a pactard that avoids the issues then yes, I agree.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made their accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.

And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.

And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Read my post again. I didn't say that I discredited you. You did that to yourself.

[Hornfinger]

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made there accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.

And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.

And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Read my post again. I didn't say that I discredited you. You did that to yourself.

My old posts pre mayweather may or may not be still buried on this forum they are 4+ years old. Sift through the old post from 4 years ago or ask saddo to help you out. I personally can't because, i'm scared of needles, can't do it because it weakens me, the rules don't tell me i have to do it, will do it but only with 14 days notice.....

But if you need proof of that then why don't you need proof pac is clean?


At least this shows two things. 1, how hippocritical you are and 2, maybe you have learnt something from this and I have in fact educated you and you now don't just take someones word for something. So maybe you'll stop believing athletes that say 'i'm clean' and actually ask or demand some real evidence of it.

Don't ask me to justify something i.e my anti drug history and where my views stem from and then come with the 'spare me the history.....' crap, just because it blows your theory that i only have my opinions because of floyd mayweather. It discredits you (where have i heard that before?) and makes you look like a sore whining baby.

Maybe other posters on here do have a better history in drug free sports. If they choose not to argue their point of view with some pactard prat on a forum thats their business. You're very good at going off on irrelevant tangents aren't you.

You're also good at taking things out of context. I'm not sure if it's deliberate in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the points you can't answer or put a dent in or if it's just cuz you're an idiot.To repeat (common with you ain't it spacker boy) myself. Floyd's request for drug testing before his matches has nothing to do with my views/stance.


I critisised Roy because he failed a test and that there was a question mark over him. Again it's a case of awww diddums the pactard thinks pacquiao is being unfairly critisised. You really sound like a whining baby.

The only reason you're contented with the way testing is at the moment is because it suits you're fighter. If it was pacquiao asking for stricter testing you'd be siding with that. More typical pactard behavior. If you're contented with the way things are I suggest you do some more research.

And as usual your post ends with you saying I'm discredited but with no evidence of it (pactards are just like pacquiao hahahahaha) and you've still not adressed my three key points.

What a surprise

You talk alot but you say nothing.

[Chino]

Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.

[Hornfinger]

Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.

I am for the strictest style random blood test. But until that becomes the required test I will have to be content with the one that is in place and would not continually be bitching about it.

The criticism towards Pacquiao's refusal to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation is reasonable given that he had the burden of proof. Now that he agreed to such demand in the second negotiation, he still gets the blame from hornfinger. That is where the disagreement is.

Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof here is whether Manny is a drug cheat or Floyd is a coward. The burden of proof is now with Mayweather.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

My old posts pre mayweather may or may not be still buried on this forum they are 4+ years old. Sift through the old post from 4 years ago or ask saddo to help you out. I personally can't because, i'm scared of needles, can't do it because it weakens me, the rules don't tell me i have to do it, will do it but only with 14 days notice.....

But if you need proof of that then why don't you need proof pac is clean?


At least this shows two things. 1, how hippocritical you are and 2, maybe you have learnt something from this and I have in fact educated you and you now don't just take someones word for something. So maybe you'll stop believing athletes that say 'i'm clean' and actually ask or demand some real evidence of it.

Don't ask me to justify something i.e my anti drug history and where my views stem from and then come with the 'spare me the history.....' crap, just because it blows your theory that i only have my opinions because of floyd mayweather. It discredits you (where have i heard that before?) and makes you look like a sore whining baby.

Maybe other posters on here do have a better history in drug free sports. If they choose not to argue their point of view with some pactard prat on a forum thats their business. You're very good at going off on irrelevant tangents aren't you.

You're also good at taking things out of context. I'm not sure if it's deliberate in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the points you can't answer or put a dent in or if it's just cuz you're an idiot.To repeat (common with you ain't it spacker boy) myself. Floyd's request for drug testing before his matches has nothing to do with my views/stance.


I critisised Roy because he failed a test and that there was a question mark over him. Again it's a case of awww diddums the pactard thinks pacquiao is being unfairly critisised. You really sound like a whining baby.

The only reason you're contented with the way testing is at the moment is because it suits you're fighter. If it was pacquiao asking for stricter testing you'd be siding with that. More typical pactard behavior. If you're contented with the way things are I suggest you do some more research.

And as usual your post ends with you saying I'm discredited but with no evidence of it (pactards are just like pacquiao hahahahaha) and you've still not adressed my three key points.

What a surprise

You talk alot but you say nothing.

I have addressed every statement that you made in post #259 and your response is some rambling and middle finger which some poster here already stuck up your own ass!

You come up with this excuse about your old post being buried when I asked you for proof that you had already been passionate about this random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation. If there is one out there you will be more than happy to dig it out to shut me up. As made famous by a notorious idiot who wants to be shown evidence that boxers are clean to believe that they are clean: "WHERE IS THE PROOF?"

[Gandalf]

I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.

[cnote111]

I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.

I would tend to have to disagree here...

No one is taking the position that stricter testing is a bad thing and no top level athlete shouldn't take the tests.

The "Pac defense" boils down to how the fighters are playing within the rules of the sport. Case closed - When the rules change for everyone across the board then the debate is more then welcome to resurface.

Are you sure you read the arguments within the last few pages?

[:::PSL:::]

I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.

So I guess Bernard Hopkins is on steroid too then huh? Similar thing what happened to Roy Jones Jr years ago.

Quit sourgraping Miley.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.

This statement coming from an unbias poster ............ (SARCASM!!!)

First of all, this isn't even a competition. If it is, then hornfinger will insist that we get tested for drugs.

[Hornfinger]

You come up with this excuse about your old post being buried when I asked you for proof that you had already been passionate about this random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation. If there is one out there you will be more than happy to dig it out to shut me up. As made famous by a notorious idiot who wants to be shown evidence that boxers are clean to believe that they are clean: "WHERE IS THE PROOF?"

someones getting very desperate now.

Yes I'm lying, posts I made 5 years ago wouldn't be buried would they, I'm sure their still on page two fresh as a daisy. hahahahaha

[InTheNeutralCorner]

You come up with this excuse about your old post being buried when I asked you for proof that you had already been passionate about this random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation. If there is one out there you will be more than happy to dig it out to shut me up. As made famous by a notorious idiot who wants to be shown evidence that boxers are clean to believe that they are clean: "WHERE IS THE PROOF?"

someones getting very desperate now.

Yes I'm lying, posts I made 5 years ago wouldn't be buried would they, I'm sure their still on page two fresh as a daisy. hahahahaha

Can't dig up any, can you? And you're implying that you have been a crusader for stricter drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.