who will be more successful in boxing Degale or Groves

[Manos de Piedra]

I can't decide, need to see them both in a few more fights. But i Don't think either one of them will have any type of dominant reign as world champ.

[Fenster]

I certainly don't think DeGale was robbed. The fight could have gone either way. I was glad Groves got it. I actually cheered YES!!!

However, if you reverse the trainers/camp I think the result is the total opposite. DeGale's team were clueless the second Groves didn't attack him. We heard about great sparring with Nathan Cleverly (prospect). We heard team DeGale constantly slate Groves for having black eyes and being beat in sparring.

Groves sparred with Carl Froch and Andre Dirrell. So Groves did terrible in sparring because the worlds elite supermiddles were tarring him but DeGale was looking dynamite against British prospect Nathan Cleverly?

DeGale looked the more talented fighter but had the worst guidance. He has more potential.

[erics44]

I can't decide, need to see them both in a few more fights. But i Don't think either one of them will have any type of dominant reign as world champ.

which kind of fighters have you seen at this level in their careers where you have thought, yeah they will will be a dominant world champ?

[rjj tszyu]

It's hard to say, both men are a long way from their primes I think. I mean they have both only just broke into double figures as far as pro fights go and to be honest it's quite clear when they fight. They both need at least another 10 fights IMO before they can even be mentioned in the same breath as the likes Ward and Froch, and then they have to keep winning against good fighters and not let it drop back down below top domestic level. I wouldn't mind seeing either take on Kenny Anderson in one of their next bouts.

After a fight like that I would start finding them tough but winnable (if your going to be world class) fights against the likes of Sakio Bika, Allan Green and Aaron Pryor Jr. I think they would both beat them but learn a hell of a lot too in the process.

Before the weekend I would have answered this question with DeGale no doubt but Groves showed me some good maturity at weekend and he is only going to get better in the years to come. As for DeGale I was surprised just how one dimensional he was, but that defeat could well make him the same way losing to Carl Thompson did David Haye. On the other hand he maybe fragile as far as his mental make up goes and he might never live upto potential now he's lost his 0, Only time will tell I suppose but I look forward to seeing both mens next fights and I hope they don't start fighting bums and try to prove themselves against good operators that they can learn from.

[Master]

I think both Degale and Groves will go on and at least challenge for world titles and depending who they face may win them. I can also them fighting one another again similar to Benn v Eubanks at the world stage.

The only problems I can see is them being motivated enough for their next fights which will be lower profile and they both need to develop as they fought each other too early and have a lot to learn if they want to get to the world class level they are aiming for.

[marbleheadmaui]

I can't decide, need to see them both in a few more fights. But i Don't think either one of them will have any type of dominant reign as world champ.

which kind of fighters have you seen at this level in their careers where you have thought, yeah they will will be a dominant world champ?

Evander, Kostya, Sweet Pea, Gamboa (if he improved some specific things related to craft), Ray Leonard, Mike Spinks (the '72 Olympic Team was insanely good), Floyd Jr, Oscar, Azumah (following the Sanchez fight) and some others. Those guys just jumped out at you very, very early. Kind of how Jose Benavidez has today.

Now to be fair? I can also list guys who jumped out early who did NOT end up being longtime champs. Johnny Bumphus, Howard Davis (another '72 guy), Mike Quarry, the Viruets and Sean O'Grady.

[rjj tszyu]

I can't decide, need to see them both in a few more fights. But i Don't think either one of them will have any type of dominant reign as world champ.

which kind of fighters have you seen at this level in their careers where you have thought, yeah they will will be a dominant world champ?

Evander, Kostya, Sweet Pea, Gamboa (if he improved some specific things related to craft), Ray Leonard, Mike Spinks (the '72 Olympic Team was insanely good), Floyd Jr, Oscar, Azumah (following the Sanchez fight) and some others. Those guys just jumped out at you very, very early. Kind of how Jose Benavidez has today.

Now to be fair? I can also list guys who jumped out early who did NOT end up being longtime champs. Johnny Bumphus, Howard Davis (another '72 guy), Mike Quarry, the Viruets and Sean O'Grady.

I hate to do this mate but.............. Weren't Spinks and Leonard '76?

[marbleheadmaui]

I can't decide, need to see them both in a few more fights. But i Don't think either one of them will have any type of dominant reign as world champ.

which kind of fighters have you seen at this level in their careers where you have thought, yeah they will will be a dominant world champ?

Evander, Kostya, Sweet Pea, Gamboa (if he improved some specific things related to craft), Ray Leonard, Mike Spinks (the '72 Olympic Team was insanely good), Floyd Jr, Oscar, Azumah (following the Sanchez fight) and some others. Those guys just jumped out at you very, very early. Kind of how Jose Benavidez has today.

Now to be fair? I can also list guys who jumped out early who did NOT end up being longtime champs. Johnny Bumphus, Howard Davis (another '72 guy), Mike Quarry, the Viruets and Sean O'Grady.

I hate to do this mate but.............. Wasn't Spinks '76?

Aaaaaargh! Spinks and Leonard AND Howard Davis! Thanks! All '72 had was my guy Ray Seales!

[rjj tszyu]

I can't decide, need to see them both in a few more fights. But i Don't think either one of them will have any type of dominant reign as world champ.

which kind of fighters have you seen at this level in their careers where you have thought, yeah they will will be a dominant world champ?

Evander, Kostya, Sweet Pea, Gamboa (if he improved some specific things related to craft), Ray Leonard, Mike Spinks (the '72 Olympic Team was insanely good), Floyd Jr, Oscar, Azumah (following the Sanchez fight) and some others. Those guys just jumped out at you very, very early. Kind of how Jose Benavidez has today.

Now to be fair? I can also list guys who jumped out early who did NOT end up being longtime champs. Johnny Bumphus, Howard Davis (another '72 guy), Mike Quarry, the Viruets and Sean O'Grady.

I hate to do this mate but.............. Wasn't Spinks '76?

Aaaaaargh! Spinks and Leonard AND Howard Davis! Thanks! All '72 had was my guy Ray Seales!

Back to guys who looked special early though Roy Jones looked spectacular in the Olympics (we know how it panned out) and though after his first 2 fights it took a while to get any TV coverage of him, I have all his fights on DVD, the early ones are on Camcorder at ringside but you can still see just how skillfull he was. Yes he was fighting bums but he looked special and very very fast.

On the flipside though and kind of a backup for Groves and DeGale, I remember watching early Lennox Lewis after he turned pro and thinking this guy has a lot to learn if he's going to make it to the top, but he did just that and found a style of boxing that went well with his stature and IMO went on to become an ATG HW.

[marbleheadmaui]

I can't decide, need to see them both in a few more fights. But i Don't think either one of them will have any type of dominant reign as world champ.

which kind of fighters have you seen at this level in their careers where you have thought, yeah they will will be a dominant world champ?

Evander, Kostya, Sweet Pea, Gamboa (if he improved some specific things related to craft), Ray Leonard, Mike Spinks (the '72 Olympic Team was insanely good), Floyd Jr, Oscar, Azumah (following the Sanchez fight) and some others. Those guys just jumped out at you very, very early. Kind of how Jose Benavidez has today.

Now to be fair? I can also list guys who jumped out early who did NOT end up being longtime champs. Johnny Bumphus, Howard Davis (another '72 guy), Mike Quarry, the Viruets and Sean O'Grady.

I hate to do this mate but.............. Wasn't Spinks '76?

Aaaaaargh! Spinks and Leonard AND Howard Davis! Thanks! All '72 had was my guy Ray Seales!

Back to guys who looked special early though Roy Jones looked spectacular in the Olympics (we know how it panned out) and though after his first 2 fights it took a while to get any TV coverage of him, I have all his fights on DVD, the early ones are on Camcorder at ringside but you can still see just how skillfull he was. Yes he was fighting bums but he looked special and very very fast.

On the flipside though and kind of a backup for Groves and DeGale, I remember watching early Lennox Lewis after he turned pro and thinking this guy has a lot to learn if he's going to make it to the top, but he did just that and found a style of boxing that went well with his stature and IMO went on to become an ATG HW.

That's a great point. It may be the more usual path that guys grow gradually and then one day it all comes together and they take a leap in excellence. I mean I sure wouldn't have guessed guys like Escalera or Cuevas or Mamby or Pendleton were going to be as accomplished as they ended up!