Roy Jones, where did it all go wrong?

[Master]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

[Master]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

I do not think tarver used it as an excuse, I do know B Hop called him a dead man walking.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

I do not think tarver used it as an excuse, I do know B Hop called him a dead man walking.

I mean Tarver tried to say Roy was using it as an excuse. Also saying things like "we all have to lose weight, big deal", that was after the first fight.

But Tarver hasn't looked the same either since he lost to BHop. So the drastic weight loss they both went through is more than evident.

[marbleheadmaui]

[shrugs]

Roy got old and his game was based on talent not skill, so when the talent faded? It had no support.

BTW, in my view Roy's decline began two years before he faced Ruiz.

In terms of thinking about Roy though the last 6-7 years judt don't mean much. Everyone gets old.

[rjj tszyu]

[shrugs]

Roy got old and his game was based on talent not skill, so when the talent faded? It had no support.

BTW, in my view Roy's decline began two years before he faced Ruiz.

In terms of thinking about Roy though the last 6-7 years judt don't mean much. Everyone gets old.

Exactly, everyone gets old and it just happens to everyone at different times. Someone who is as unorthodox as Jones who relies on speed and reflexes so much is always going to age quicker than others.

I do think Roy had skill though, his ability to deliver a punch was awesome as well as his ability to put them together in combos. His problem was he was so unorthodox and non textbook in the way he fought in the ring that when his reflexes and speed did fall, so did he.

I think the weight loss aged him too but I do agree he was already showing signs before that fight. Eric Harding was the first fight I thought he was starting to decline.

[greynotsoold]

RJJ was not by any means an "ATG" He couldn't fight much and he benefited from an incredibly weak era. In the 1930s/40s and so on he is, at best, an 8 round fighter,.

[marbleheadmaui]

[shrugs]

Roy got old and his game was based on talent not skill, so when the talent faded? It had no support.

BTW, in my view Roy's decline began two years before he faced Ruiz.

In terms of thinking about Roy though the last 6-7 years judt don't mean much. Everyone gets old.

Exactly, everyone gets old and it just happens to everyone at different times. Someone who is as unorthodox as Jones who relies on speed and reflexes so much is always going to age quicker than others.

I do think Roy had skill though, his ability to deliver a punch was awesome as well as his ability to put them together in combos. His problem was he was so unorthodox and non textbook in the way he fought in the ring that when his reflexes and speed did fall, so did he.

I think the weight loss aged him too but I do agree he was already showing signs before that fight. Eric Harding was the first fight I thought he was starting to decline.

BINGO! The Harding fight is the one where I looked at my brother and said "We're never going to see THAT Roy Jones again. His legs have started going."

One quibble. It wasn't that Roy's style was unorthodox that was the problem. It was that it was unsound. It required superman reflexes and speed.

Look I hammer Roy all the time it seems, but what he did to James Toney and that right to the body with which he destroyed Virgil shouild never be forgotten.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

I do not think tarver used it as an excuse, I do know B Hop called him a dead man walking.

That's the thing that fucking pisses me off. (sorry, language, I know...)
Anyone who tries to criticize Hopkins win over Tarver will always use this mythical weight drain angle but surely that angle is null and void if the man himself hadn't used his weight as an excuse?

I mean Tarver couldn't get off simply because Hopkins made a play every time Tarver was set to do something.

Did Tarver look weight drained. Did he really have a shit load of muscle to loose? No. It's a load of bs.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

I do not think tarver used it as an excuse, I do know B Hop called him a dead man walking.

That's the thing that fucking pisses me off. (sorry, language, I know...)
Anyone who tries to criticize Hopkins win over Tarver will always use this mythical weight drain angle but surely that angle is null and void if the man himself hadn't used his weight as an excuse?

I mean Tarver couldn't get off simply because Hopkins made a play every time Tarver was set to do something.

Did Tarver look weight drained. Did he really have a shit load of muscle to loose? No. It's a load of bs.

did you see tarver in that fight? he had bitch tits. Did you see him in the balboa movie, he looked like a heavyweight. Also Tarver after that fight when being asked by merchant regarding the weight said "No, I don't want to say that. I just don't know why I couldn't get anything going"

even NAZ said "he fooled the public but he didn't fool us" when speaking about his weight.

[Mattyhitman]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

This was my initial thought on it. After beating Ruiz, he was widely recognized as the No1 P4P back then. After the 1st Tarver fight ya could see some decline, weight loss may have something to do with this, needless to say that was the beginning of the end for Superman RJJ.