Roy Jones, where did it all go wrong?

[andykopgod]

8 losses now, 5 by bad KO so the question is, when is he going to realise its time to quit? He's an all time great but is in serious danger of getting hurt.

[JonesJrMayweather]

He's only been kayoed 4 times. And it all went wrong when he went back LHW aafter winning the WBA HW strap.

[andykopgod]

point taken. Great fighter, loved watching him in his prime.

[IamInuit]

point taken. Great fighter, loved watching him in his prime.

He was a joy to watch. One of my all time faves. The first gent who responded is spot on but he may have preserved himself if he new how to box. He never developed a jab although he sure used it in the Paz fight and relied on his mutant like speed,timing and reflexes. He never really needed any fundamentals. Once his reflexes and speed started to erode it was over. I hope those who are around him have some kind of intervention. What are witnessing now is a tutorial on cruel and unusual punishment.

[Master]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

[Master]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

I do not think tarver used it as an excuse, I do know B Hop called him a dead man walking.

[imp]

Roy is or was my fav fighter.. Was it the weight loss or the weak chin. we will never know, he took the risk and he did beat tarver the first time.

[Spicoli]

Sometimes guys get placed on astronomical heights by fans, networks and mostly self they never learn second gear, how to adapt on lesser scale. Jones was a perfectionist and really had a short 'slip' in Tarver fight....after that it quickly became avalanche. It's always a red flag I believe when they-we start grading guys on total number of rounds lost in overall fights. Also all of that carnival barking Tyson talk. Just goofy frankly.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Going back to light heavy to fight Tarver from heavy beating Ruiz but that is easy with hindsight.

Yeah its too bad he had to be the example for the future generations. No one had ever gone up that far only to go back down. Especially not in the same year. Ironically Tarver had his belt taken from him by Bhop, because he tried the same thing except he did it for a film and Roy did it to win a belt.

Tarver called Roy's weight loss an excuse, funny how it worked out for him.

I do not think tarver used it as an excuse, I do know B Hop called him a dead man walking.

I mean Tarver tried to say Roy was using it as an excuse. Also saying things like "we all have to lose weight, big deal", that was after the first fight.

But Tarver hasn't looked the same either since he lost to BHop. So the drastic weight loss they both went through is more than evident.

[marbleheadmaui]

[shrugs]

Roy got old and his game was based on talent not skill, so when the talent faded? It had no support.

BTW, in my view Roy's decline began two years before he faced Ruiz.

In terms of thinking about Roy though the last 6-7 years judt don't mean much. Everyone gets old.

[rjj tszyu]

[shrugs]

Roy got old and his game was based on talent not skill, so when the talent faded? It had no support.

BTW, in my view Roy's decline began two years before he faced Ruiz.

In terms of thinking about Roy though the last 6-7 years judt don't mean much. Everyone gets old.

Exactly, everyone gets old and it just happens to everyone at different times. Someone who is as unorthodox as Jones who relies on speed and reflexes so much is always going to age quicker than others.

I do think Roy had skill though, his ability to deliver a punch was awesome as well as his ability to put them together in combos. His problem was he was so unorthodox and non textbook in the way he fought in the ring that when his reflexes and speed did fall, so did he.

I think the weight loss aged him too but I do agree he was already showing signs before that fight. Eric Harding was the first fight I thought he was starting to decline.

[greynotsoold]

RJJ was not by any means an "ATG" He couldn't fight much and he benefited from an incredibly weak era. In the 1930s/40s and so on he is, at best, an 8 round fighter,.

[CommunistKevin]

Ha ha wow roy jones would never be an eight round fighter. He would be atg no matter what time period he is fighting.

[marbleheadmaui]

[shrugs]

Roy got old and his game was based on talent not skill, so when the talent faded? It had no support.

BTW, in my view Roy's decline began two years before he faced Ruiz.

In terms of thinking about Roy though the last 6-7 years judt don't mean much. Everyone gets old.

Exactly, everyone gets old and it just happens to everyone at different times. Someone who is as unorthodox as Jones who relies on speed and reflexes so much is always going to age quicker than others.

I do think Roy had skill though, his ability to deliver a punch was awesome as well as his ability to put them together in combos. His problem was he was so unorthodox and non textbook in the way he fought in the ring that when his reflexes and speed did fall, so did he.

I think the weight loss aged him too but I do agree he was already showing signs before that fight. Eric Harding was the first fight I thought he was starting to decline.

BINGO! The Harding fight is the one where I looked at my brother and said "We're never going to see THAT Roy Jones again. His legs have started going."

One quibble. It wasn't that Roy's style was unorthodox that was the problem. It was that it was unsound. It required superman reflexes and speed.

Look I hammer Roy all the time it seems, but what he did to James Toney and that right to the body with which he destroyed Virgil shouild never be forgotten.