Martinez is too small for 168 :D

[Fenster]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

Hopkins. He's fought at middle and lightheavy. That's just 2.

Martinez started at welter, then went to lightmiddle, then middle. That's 3.

So Martinez owns Hopkins in divisions fought in too. Fact.

I so hope these two fight. You're really turning me off Martinez you know...

lol - It's not mine or Martinez fault that he meets all your criteria for P4P and greatness.

[Kev]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

Hopkins. He's fought at middle and lightheavy. That's just 2.

Martinez started at welter, then went to lightmiddle, then middle. That's 3.

So Martinez owns Hopkins in divisions fought in too. Fact.

I so hope these two fight. You're really turning me off Martinez you know...

lol - It's not mine or Martinez fault that he meets all your criteria for P4P and greatness.

He's p4p I'll give you that. But he hasn't proven himself great yet.