Is the Game Up for Lance Armstrong?

[marbleheadmaui]

It's one thing when caught cheaters Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton claim Lance used. It is another when the highly respected George Hincapie, never caught and Armstrong's closes riding buddy says "Lance and I used together."

I think the jig is up.

And it doesn't surprise me in the least.

These PED's WORK! Ordinarily the gap between top competitors at a world class level is measured in a fraction of 1%. Pretty clearly these drugs improve performance (where it can be measured) by 5%+. Now we know, because they were either caught or admitted cheating, that every significant competitive force during Armstrong's reign was using.

So, in order to believe Lance was clean you had to believe he was better clean than everyone else was dirty. That implies he would have been 5%+ better than everyone else clean vs. clean. Let's try to put that in perspective.

Sprinting Revolution Usain Bolt holds the 100 meter record at 9.58 seconds. That is 1.6% below the best time by another runner.

Micahel Phelps best event is the probably the 200 butterfly. His world record time is 1.1% below the next best time swum by another.

The likelihood Lance is 5% better? Every year for seven years?

Anyone care to take that bet?

This also ought to make anyone who believes passing WADA random tests equals being clean rethink that stance.

So say the number 1 & 2 ranked boxers squared off to fight for the vacant title and the number one ranked fighter won on points, scoring 5% more than his defeated opponent. If we use your logic, then he has to have been on PED's?

Facts and figures can be manipulated to support any argument. Armstrong was the most tested competitor ever in that sport? I'm sure he would have been caught out.

Not the way you just did they can't. yeah, Lance would have been caught....just like Marion Jones.

[Hornfinger]

Why would you believe Lance Armstrong's riding buddy, but not Pacquiao's sparring partner?


If Lance has passed random blood testing then you have to say he has proven himself clean.

Would I put a bet on that he has never used, nope.

[Kev]

Why would you believe Lance Armstrong's riding buddy, but not Pacquiao's sparring partner?


If Lance has passed random blood testing then you have to say he has proven himself clean.

Would I put a bet on that he has never used, nope.

How do the two compare? Lance is being accused by real people, who were his known teammates and are publicly coming out.

Manny's 'sparring partner revelation' was just a completely anonymous posting on an internent forum.

If a confirmed sparring partner comes out, and publicly states something then the story has legs but anyone can write an anyonmous email and say 'I was Manny's sparring partner and I used to inject him' and post it on a dodgy website.

That is no kind of story at all.

[Hornfinger]

I don't see any difference.

It's emperor's new clothes. I'm not a pactard so i don't see it.

[Kev]

I don't see any difference.

It's emperor's new clothes. I'm not a pactard so i don't see it.

How is there no difference?

Lance Armstrongs teammates publicly came out and accused him.

In the case of Manny an anonymous posting was put on a forum.

Hos do the two even remotely compare?

I can write an anonymous email now saying that I supplied Oscar De La Hoya with cocaine last week and post it on that forum.

Does that mean there is a shred of evidence to support that?

[Hornfinger]

And that's the point isn't it.

Not a shred of evidance.

In both accusations there is actually no evidence, both are just hear say. The actual only difference is that lance has been subjected to random testing many times and never failed it. Unfortunately for me that makes it very very hard to point the finger at him.

Unlike Pacquiao, Lance actually has evidence that he is clean.

[Kev]

And that's the point isn't it.

Not a shred of evidance.

In both accusations there is actually no evidence, both are just hear say. The actual only difference is that lance has been subjected to random testing many times and never failed it. Unfortunately for me that makes it very very hard to point the finger at him.

Unlike Pacquiao, Lance actually has evidence that he is clean.

How does Lance have more evidence for being clean than Manny? Manny has zero evidence against him. Lance has his own teammates publically speaking out and stating they either saw him take, or was actively taking alongside him.

That's a huge public testimony, subject to libel and a very serious allegation.

Please enlighten me of all those who have publically confirmed Manny doing anything wrong? If somebody publically comes forward, then that is a serious allegation. But nobody has.