Is the Game Up for Lance Armstrong?

[Hornfinger]

Why would you believe Lance Armstrong's riding buddy, but not Pacquiao's sparring partner?


If Lance has passed random blood testing then you have to say he has proven himself clean.

Would I put a bet on that he has never used, nope.

[Kev]

Why would you believe Lance Armstrong's riding buddy, but not Pacquiao's sparring partner?


If Lance has passed random blood testing then you have to say he has proven himself clean.

Would I put a bet on that he has never used, nope.

How do the two compare? Lance is being accused by real people, who were his known teammates and are publicly coming out.

Manny's 'sparring partner revelation' was just a completely anonymous posting on an internent forum.

If a confirmed sparring partner comes out, and publicly states something then the story has legs but anyone can write an anyonmous email and say 'I was Manny's sparring partner and I used to inject him' and post it on a dodgy website.

That is no kind of story at all.

[Hornfinger]

I don't see any difference.

It's emperor's new clothes. I'm not a pactard so i don't see it.

[Kev]

I don't see any difference.

It's emperor's new clothes. I'm not a pactard so i don't see it.

How is there no difference?

Lance Armstrongs teammates publicly came out and accused him.

In the case of Manny an anonymous posting was put on a forum.

Hos do the two even remotely compare?

I can write an anonymous email now saying that I supplied Oscar De La Hoya with cocaine last week and post it on that forum.

Does that mean there is a shred of evidence to support that?

[Hornfinger]

And that's the point isn't it.

Not a shred of evidance.

In both accusations there is actually no evidence, both are just hear say. The actual only difference is that lance has been subjected to random testing many times and never failed it. Unfortunately for me that makes it very very hard to point the finger at him.

Unlike Pacquiao, Lance actually has evidence that he is clean.

[Kev]

And that's the point isn't it.

Not a shred of evidance.

In both accusations there is actually no evidence, both are just hear say. The actual only difference is that lance has been subjected to random testing many times and never failed it. Unfortunately for me that makes it very very hard to point the finger at him.

Unlike Pacquiao, Lance actually has evidence that he is clean.

How does Lance have more evidence for being clean than Manny? Manny has zero evidence against him. Lance has his own teammates publically speaking out and stating they either saw him take, or was actively taking alongside him.

That's a huge public testimony, subject to libel and a very serious allegation.

Please enlighten me of all those who have publically confirmed Manny doing anything wrong? If somebody publically comes forward, then that is a serious allegation. But nobody has.

[Youngblood]

i reject your logic for my speculation. ya dig?

[Nameless]

For the record, some sampler of Amstrong have been proven positive, made by one of the most advanced and top notched Lab in the world, Chatenay Malabry's labs in France. They double checked some old sampler from Amstrong and they have been proven unclean (i.e in 1999, EPO was undetectable or almost, re-visiting the old samplerswith new techniques allowed to detect the subterfuge) which Amstrong denied and said that it was false accusations because the frenchies couldn'T stand that a cancerous american did beat all their cyclists. Leaving the France-USA debate aside, this is a ludicrous argument.
When 3 of your ex team mates plus samplers from one of the best labs in the world in that domain say that you're guilty, you have to be the hell of a conspirationist to claim a hidden agenda against you.

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