Andre Berto implies Ortiz was juiced

[Beanflicker]

I don't see how Ortiz looked any different than in his previous fights. Looked about the same size and speed to me.

[boxingbantz]

Everyone should just be allowed to use PEDS. The size and power some of the guys would possess would be awesome. The same should be allowed in the Olympics. People would be doing the 100m in 8seconds and pole vaulting out of the stadiums. The people would want to see this.

[generalbulldog]

Ortiz said he got some advice from Pac before the fight with Berto. Pac said, "Don't worry bro I got this good Pinoy drug that can make you walk through punches in the ring and bullets on the battlefield, you down with it?"

[blegit]

I do think PEDs are a lot more rampant in boxing than what people want to believe or willing to accept. But with Ortiz I think a lot of his success was from being in the right weight class. He was cutting way too much weight for 140. The guy could easily fight at 154 and not be at a size disadvantage. Plus, Berto was never what he thought he was. I don't think anyone saw him as a heavy favorite against Ortiz. Most probably saw it as a 50/50 fight. I think Berto went about this wrong. If he knows something then say it straight out. If you imply you know or think something and don't have anything to back it up with then you look silly and sour. Personally, I only saw an Ortiz that was not weight drained. He wasn't quicker, more powerful, or granite chinned. He was just fresher which a lot of times comes with cutting weight better or cutting less weight.

[Mar]

Was collazo juiced ? Cause he beat your ass too. Nothing worse than guys running thier mouths instead of running harder in the gym. This stupid shit that floyd haters help floyd get running around the sport is ridiculous. And floyd is just like berto juiced or not he shouldn't loose anyway.

[johnsebastianmiran]

He lost and all the reasons were known. Lack of training, lack of desire, he got tagged quite a bit and now suddenly it's the flavor of the juice?

[JazMerkin]

I actually thought Berto handled himself really well right after the fight. If he's got something come out with it fully. Just like the Pascal thing with Hopkins this pisses me off. I know people hate on Floyd for the start of the PED culture, but at least he went about it in the right way bringing it up in the negotiations, rather than waiting for pre-fight press conferences or if he got beat to voice his suspicions. I've stuck up for Berto a lot on here as I think he's been given harsh treatment, but this is some bullshit & he can fuck right off

[fan johnny]

Is it really becoming the acceptable norm to accuse fighters of using PEDS? What a fuk'n pussy! His fist excuse was, "Oh, that wasn't me in there tonight. I just wasn't myself"