Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999

[ross]

Yea but it turned out to be wrong and he did not achieve any thing close to Ali.

It wasnt wrong, those "experts"saw with their own eyes a phenomenom. They saw a man tidy up a division, he defeated 3 defending champions, smashed Holmes up, beat the linear champ, there was absolutely no argument who the top man in the division was. They were basing their assesments on what they had seen, not what they were thinking could happen in the future. No one can take away or deny Mike Tyson was a fantastic fighter. It may have been for a short period but he still managed to have enough fights in that short period to prove when he was being trained right, he was consistant (neither Holyfield or Lewis had a dominant or consistant period like Mike. There were too many shaky moments inbetween. No one ever thought of them at any point in their careers as unbeatable and that hurts some people) and very nearly unbeatable as they were calling him then. Its only when he left the team that were looking after him that it all went tits up.

In fact, if Tyson had retired straight after the Spinks fight I think his career is better than Marcianos.

[BIG H]

Yea but it turned out to be wrong and he did not achieve any thing close to Ali.

It wasnt wrong, those "experts"saw with their own eyes a phenomenom. They saw a man tidy up a division, he defeated 3 defending champions, smashed Holmes up, beat the linear champ, there was absolutely no argument who the top man in the division was. They were basing their assesments on what they had seen, not what they were thinking could happen in the future. No one can take away or deny Mike Tyson was a fantastic fighter. It may have been for a short period but he still managed to have enough fights in that short period to prove when he was being trained right, he was consistant (neither Holyfield or Lewis had a dominant or consistant period like Mike. There were too many shaky moments inbetween. No one ever thought of them at any point in their careers as unbeatable and that hurts some people) and very nearly unbeatable as they were calling him then. Its only when he left the team that were looking after him that it all went tits up.

In fact, if Tyson had retired straight after the Spinks fight I think his career is better than Marcianos.

Much as it pains me to say it I agree

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Yea but it turned out to be wrong and he did not achieve any thing close to Ali.

It wasnt wrong, those "experts"saw with their own eyes a phenomenom. They saw a man tidy up a division, he defeated 3 defending champions, smashed Holmes up, beat the linear champ, there was absolutely no argument who the top man in the division was. They were basing their assesments on what they had seen, not what they were thinking could happen in the future. No one can take away or deny Mike Tyson was a fantastic fighter. It may have been for a short period but he still managed to have enough fights in that short period to prove when he was being trained right, he was consistant (neither Holyfield or Lewis had a dominant or consistant period like Mike. There were too many shaky moments inbetween. No one ever thought of them at any point in their careers as unbeatable and that hurts some people) and very nearly unbeatable as they were calling him then. Its only when he left the team that were looking after him that it all went tits up.

In fact, if Tyson had retired straight after the Spinks fight I think his career is better than Marcianos.

Much as it pains me to say it I agree

Ditto. Minus the pain