Roy Jones, where did it all go wrong?

[Boxer4life]

imo jones would make haggler look amateurish

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Roy relied on his reflexes, Roy got older, Roy slowed down, Roy got hit.

Mystery over.

[fugaziuk]

"Kellerman has said on air numerous times that had roy retired after beating Ruiz he would have easily been considered the best ever"

This - should have retired after the Ruiz fight - on top nothing more to prove.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Wait are you saying Jones was a better fighter then Leonard was Jonesjrmayweather.

Yep. Without a doubt.

Yeah? And where exactly are Jones' Hagler, Duran, Benitez and Hearns?

James Toney and BHOP would beat all of them too. And Jones would kayo Hearns, duran, and benitez. Possibly even leonard. Only one I'd pick to go the distance and lose a wide decision is hagler. But at 160-168 Jones power was maxed, and was better than all of theirs so he may even stop him too.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Prime for prime jones would beat leonard. And would prob beat robinson.

Um, HELLO? Jones had 20 pounds on each guy! Jones would likely have been carried out had he fought Foster, Spinks, Johnson or Ezzard.

Yeah right. Foster would look like percy harris in the ring with jones. Spinks would get kayoed. Johnson and Ezzard..... I laugh at that.

Remember back in 1968 when bob beamon took th elong jump record from 27 to 29 feet complete bypassing 28feet? When remember when LT came and made a quatum leap of the linebacker position?

That's prime RJJ to boxing. He's the Micheal Jordan of the sport. So fast that he could go his entire career without using a jab. Say that out loud a few times to get a understanding of just how incredible that is.

[Master]

I think Jones best weight was super middle but after beating Toney there was little challenge left so he grew into the light heavyweight division. Whilst I do not think he was the greatest light heavy ever, I think he was the best boxer I have ever seen, better than Tyson, Whitaker, JCC, Mayweather, Tito, B Hop, Pac Man....

[marbleheadmaui]

imo jones would make haggler look amateurish

Marvin Hagler Amateurish? Yeah like that ever happened.

I dobt Roy Jones could ever have made 160 on the day of a fight anyway. He'd have been goingagainst Michael Spinks.

[marbleheadmaui]

Prime for prime jones would beat leonard. And would prob beat robinson.

Um, HELLO? Jones had 20 pounds on each guy! Jones would likely have been carried out had he fought Foster, Spinks, Johnson or Ezzard.

Yeah right. Foster would look like percy harris in the ring with jones. Spinks would get kayoed. Johnson and Ezzard..... I laugh at that.

Remember back in 1968 when bob beamon took th elong jump record from 27 to 29 feet complete bypassing 28feet? When remember when LT came and made a quatum leap of the linebacker position?

That's prime RJJ to boxing. He's the Micheal Jordan of the sport. So fast that he could go his entire career without using a jab. Say that out loud a few times to get a understanding of just how incredible that is.

That's utter nonsense. Roy faced TWO top tier fighters in his heydey. TWO! Michael Jordan? LOL!!!!!!!!!

[JazMerkin]

imo jones would make haggler look amateurish

I can only assume by this you mean that he would have had Hagler using all the correct amateur techniques, turning over his punches & mixing well to the head & body to win. Because you can't seriously be suggesting that Marvin Fuckin' Hagler would be made to look like a mug as he was in his professional career by absolutely nobody!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Marvin was no technical slouch but if he stayed true to himself then inevitably Marvins chin would had to of been tested by Roy like it'd never been tested before. I'm not sayin Roy would win but I'm saying Marvin would have to speculate to accumilate and he might of ended up eating more than he could swallow.

Having said that, I'm only speaking about the front end. Marv was a rock and may have just opted to blast right throug Roy untill the job was done!

[JazMerkin]

Marvin was no technical slouch but if he stayed true to himself then inevitably Marvins chin would had to of been tested by Roy like it'd never been tested before. I'm not sayin Roy would win but I'm saying Marvin would have to speculate to accumilate and he might of ended up eating more than he could swallow.

Having said that, I'm only speaking about the front end. Marv was a rock and may have just opted to blast right throug Roy untill the job was done!

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying in my previous post that he couldn't beat him, I just personally feel he wouldn't. I know he only had one hand blah blah etc etc, but he never even seemed to hurt Hopkins when they first fought. Hopkins has a hell of a chin but it's not a Marvin Hagler chin that took straight bombs off Hearns, Mugabi & Roldan like they were nothing. Roy made the MW limit very few times & there's a possibility that he may not have been as strong there as he was at 168 & 175.

[captainanddew]

He didn't push himself when he was at the peak of his physical abilities. he regrets it so much he keeps fighting on trying to prove himself after it is too late. That, and money issues are eating at him.

He really shouldn't get a license to fight anymore. He very well could be permanently and immediately damaged in the ring. I don't want to see that because I don't wish it upon anyone. Moreover, if it occurs, it will be a major story in the sports world. Former big name fighter that people know, was just put into a coma in a fight (or worse).

[JonesJrMayweather]

Prime for prime jones would beat leonard. And would prob beat robinson.

Um, HELLO? Jones had 20 pounds on each guy! Jones would likely have been carried out had he fought Foster, Spinks, Johnson or Ezzard.

Yeah right. Foster would look like percy harris in the ring with jones. Spinks would get kayoed. Johnson and Ezzard..... I laugh at that.

Remember back in 1968 when bob beamon took th elong jump record from 27 to 29 feet complete bypassing 28feet? When remember when LT came and made a quatum leap of the linebacker position?

That's prime RJJ to boxing. He's the Micheal Jordan of the sport. So fast that he could go his entire career without using a jab. Say that out loud a few times to get a understanding of just how incredible that is.

That's utter nonsense. Roy faced TWO top tier fighters in his heydey. TWO! Michael Jordan? LOL!!!!!!!!!

Only because old people keep passing down their opinions of who's great and who's not. I watched all of their fights and I saw nothing spectacular about hagler or hearnns, and don't get me started on the panamanian bum compactor. It's like what PBF said about gatti-ward. Just because you get a good fight out of two c+ fighters doesn't make them great. All those guys did was fight each other. I mean if they're the greatest on each others resume erase them from those resumes and who else do they have that's so great? I think its pretty clear that RJJ beat more top ranked and title holders than any of them. Which is more than beating guys who never had any alphabet trinket. People say Roy has a glass jaw because he was kayoed by men that walk around much larger than him, but duran was smashed by hearns and nothing about his glass jaw. And his heart? He fucking quit on the stool and wasn't taking damage just getting out foxed? And This guy is an all time great? GTFOH....

James Toney and BHOP would beat hagler, hearns, and duran. SRL stood the best chance because he was actually better than them all, but RJJ would have smashed his ass too p4p.

[Mr140]

Lol no fucking way pound for pound Roy beats Leonard his chin wouldn't hold up. Now if were taking real life then be pretty fucking hard because Roy was a life time Lhw almost and Leonard was a welterweight.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Lol no fucking way pound for pound Roy beats Leonard his chin wouldn't hold up. Now if were taking real life then be pretty fucking hard because Roy was a life time Lhw almost and Leonard was a welterweight.

Exactly what mean.... Roy was never hurt, and took very flush punches, (rare) but he did, when he was at 160-168. And p4p RJJ was faster and hit harder than leonard. Hell not even p4p in real life even being larger than SRL he was faster than him. Now a bigger man faster than the smaller man and with more power. p4p RJJ would kick the shit out of SRL.