Hell I remember his Dad!

I've come to believe that the abilities to absorb daily training pain, not getting bored by endless repetition and an affinity for the sport that precludes destructive behavior may be almost as native as handspeed, a good chin and power.

Guys like this and Zab Judah and Frankie Randall and Johnny Tapia were missing what seem to be important elements in their talent toolbox.

If that view is right then your question is almost like asking how good would Julian Jackson have been with a chin or Ruben Castillo with power.

Of course I could be entirely full of it.