So was Dirrell's "Nuerological issues" legit?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

V, do you really think Carl Froch is Fraud?

[AdamGB]

lol... Calling carl an all time great or a top 5 p4p fighter may be a bit too much... But to call him 'fraud'? You're either retarded or trolling. He is nothing but 100% legit.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Carl Froch is bad bad man.. He's a battle tested warrior who has proved himself over and over against the best.. That's no fraud..

A fraud is someone like Ricky Hatton.

[AdamGB]

Was talking with a client the other day and both agreeing that Froch is way ahead of Hatton when it comes to genuine achievement but seems to get a fraction of the recognition from his countrymen.

He should drink, smoke, snort and constantly go on about it between fights more.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Was talking with a client the other day and both agreeing that Froch is way ahead of Hatton when it comes to genuine achievement but seems to get a fraction of the recognition from his countrymen.

He should drink, smoke, snort and constantly go on about it between fights more.

He should also try running into the ringpost face-first or get knocked out flat on his back in the second round. Maybe that'll boost his popularity.

[Rantcatrat]

Lest we forget, Ricky Hatton was the lineal champ at 140 for a good four years. He defeated two future HOF's in Kosta Tszyu and Jose Luis Castillo. He held the IBO, IBF, and WBA belts at one point.

Carl Froch has done very well, but at this point, his resume is at best on par with Hatton's, not much better than Hatton's. His best win is over Jean Pascal. Glen Johnson is a good win, but let's not get too carried away, he does have over 10 losses and he is 42. The Dirrell win was just a horrible fight, and objectively, Dirrell wasn't a champion, and Dirrell's biggest true victory is over Curtis Stevens (AA win was a DQ). Abraham is a former champion at middleweight, but he isn't a super middleweight. Jermain Taylor same. Don't get me wrong, Carl gets credit for those wins without a doubt. However, when Froch stepped up to an elite level fighter (although I would say overrated too) at his weight in Kessler, he lost. Froch also has never beat an assured HOF although perhaps arguably Jermain will make it to the hall. Froch's career at this point and Hatton's career overall are comparable, but Carl just doesn't have the career-defining win that Hatton did in Tszyu. I don't consider his win over Taylor or Pascal to be as good as Hatton's over Tszyu. A win over Ward might just be such a win.

Please don't mistake this as an argument that Froch isn't a badass dude because he is - he fights anyone, anywhere, and always comes to fight. I was at the Jermain Taylor fight rooting for Jermain (as a patriot should ), and Carl won me over in that fight. He never gave up when he was down on points and he fought till the end with the crowd rooting against him.

[AdamGB]

Lest we forget, Ricky Hatton was the lineal champ at 140 for a good four years. He defeated two future HOF's in Kosta Tszyu and Jose Luis Castillo. He held the IBO, IBF, and WBA belts at one point.

Carl Froch has done very well, but at this point, his resume is at best on par with Hatton's, not much better than Hatton's. His best win is over Jean Pascal. Glen Johnson is a good win, but let's not get too carried away, he does have over 10 losses and he is 42. The Dirrell win was just a horrible fight, and objectively, Dirrell wasn't a champion, and Dirrell's biggest true victory is over Curtis Stevens (AA win was a DQ). Abraham is a former champion at middleweight, but he isn't a super middleweight. Jermain Taylor same. Don't get me wrong, Carl gets credit for those wins without a doubt. However, when Froch stepped up to an elite level fighter (although I would say overrated too) at his weight in Kessler, he lost. Froch also has never beat an assured HOF although perhaps arguably Jermain will make it to the hall. Froch's career at this point and Hatton's career overall are comparable, but Carl just doesn't have the career-defining win that Hatton did in Tszyu. I don't consider his win over Taylor or Pascal to be as good as Hatton's over Tszyu. A win over Ward might just be such a win.

Please don't mistake this as an argument that Froch isn't a badass dude because he is - he fights anyone, anywhere, and always comes to fight. I was at the Jermain Taylor fight rooting for Jermain (as a patriot should ), and Carl won me over in that fight. He never gave up when he was down on points and he fought till the end with the crowd rooting against him.

I'm more talking relativly when compared to the level of credit they get from their own countryman... objectivly they're about the same... but Carl isn't done yet.

I also have to say that although the Kosta and Castillo fights were good, that he wrestled them and they weren't exactly spring chickens... particularly in castillos case.... clever match making to set up a shot at floyd.

[JazMerkin]

Lest we forget, Ricky Hatton was the lineal champ at 140 for a good four years. He defeated two future HOF's in Kosta Tszyu and Jose Luis Castillo. He held the IBO, IBF, and WBA belts at one point.

Carl Froch has done very well, but at this point, his resume is at best on par with Hatton's, not much better than Hatton's. His best win is over Jean Pascal. Glen Johnson is a good win, but let's not get too carried away, he does have over 10 losses and he is 42. The Dirrell win was just a horrible fight, and objectively, Dirrell wasn't a champion, and Dirrell's biggest true victory is over Curtis Stevens (AA win was a DQ). Abraham is a former champion at middleweight, but he isn't a super middleweight. Jermain Taylor same. Don't get me wrong, Carl gets credit for those wins without a doubt. However, when Froch stepped up to an elite level fighter (although I would say overrated too) at his weight in Kessler, he lost. Froch also has never beat an assured HOF although perhaps arguably Jermain will make it to the hall. Froch's career at this point and Hatton's career overall are comparable, but Carl just doesn't have the career-defining win that Hatton did in Tszyu. I don't consider his win over Taylor or Pascal to be as good as Hatton's over Tszyu. A win over Ward might just be such a win.

Please don't mistake this as an argument that Froch isn't a badass dude because he is - he fights anyone, anywhere, and always comes to fight. I was at the Jermain Taylor fight rooting for Jermain (as a patriot should ), and Carl won me over in that fight. He never gave up when he was down on points and he fought till the end with the crowd rooting against him.

This sums up how I feel. Over their careers it's about even. Froch would need to either beat Ward or have a real close fight to surpass him for me. I think Hatton gets a lot of criticism these days, but his resume is not as bad as some make out.

On the Dirrell thing, I'm one of those 'fools' who believes he didn't fake the reaction, as I've seen someone react near on exactly the same after getting sparked in sparring & I also know from personal experience how contrived genuine responses can look on camera. Still, maybe if I hadn't seen those I'd also believe he was acting, but I have & the fighter deserves the benefit of the doubt.

However, I don't believe the neurological thing that came up afterwards, I'm sure that was his team's way of getting out of the fight with Ward, which could have seriously derailed his marketability. So no imo the neurological issues weren't legit. His team have seriously fucked his future, keeping him out of the ring for a year & half & making every commission look extra hard at him.

[Mars_ax]

Was talking with a client the other day and both agreeing that Froch is way ahead of Hatton when it comes to genuine achievement but seems to get a fraction of the recognition from his countrymen.

He should drink, smoke, snort and constantly go on about it between fights more.

Is Froch really ahead of Hatton in genuine achievement? Hatton was able to build a huge fan base and supporters in the UK because he was well liked, Froch simply isn't as popular.

[Mars_ax]

My own personal theory is, Dirrell was winning the fight, but Abraham had been slowly getting to him with hard shots. By the time the 11th round rolled around, Dirrell was getting desperate, close to being stopped and looking for a way out, Abraham conveniently provided him with one. Dirrell basically just quit, that's my 2 cents.

[AdamGB]

Boxing's not a popularity contest...

(or a pie eating contest)

[Mars_ax]

Boxing's not a popularity contest...

(or a pie eating contest)

Just saying, Hatton was adored by his fans in the UK, I don't believe even Calzaghe got that kind of adoration.

[Violent Demise]

Carl Froch is bad bad man.. He's a battle tested warrior who has proved himself over and over against the best.. That's no fraud..

A fraud is someone like Ricky Hatton.

He's a fraud based on the way he's viewed. I've heard some call him a great fighter? Are you fucking kidding me? I'll let good slide when talking about him. Great is just stupidity. People are getting fooled by his recent fights. Thinking he's more than he is. Showing there true stupidity.

He holds a win over Jermaine Taylor. But he didn't really beat Taylor. Taylor and that suspect stamina of his his beat Taylor. Everybody, including the announcers were waiting for the fade to come up. Carl was just at the right place at the right time. You replace Carl with lets say Brian McGee and you got the same outcome. Taylor running out of gas. Than you got the gift that was the Dirrell fight. Watching this fight a couple of times and I see no way possible Fraud won. You put this fight in fucking Jupiter or Saturn and you got a clear Dirrell win. Only in moronic Nottingham is this a Fraud win. Not only that but they had him winning by 3 points. 3 fucking points! What the fuck were they scoring? How was Carl scoring points? The rabbit punches? The throw downs? Those ain't point scoring activities. I don't deny Dirrell ran like a coward and at times held like a queer. But he still landed more scoring punches. That can't be ignored. Based on that it really is an easy Dirrell win. Fraud's whore was already in Dirrell's locker room with her panties off thinking her current meal ticket had lost. It was that clear. After robbing Dirrell, Fraud gets out fought by a close to being shot, one eye Kessler. Does he take the loss like a man? No. He whines and complains like a bitch. Than he threatens to withdraw from the tournament if he was forced to honor the contract he willingly signed and made to fight in his opponents backyard. Some warrior. After reaching a compromise that isn't even necessary he beats the oh so mediocre Arthur Abraham. He reaches the finals by beating 97 year old Glen Johnson. While I too had Carl winning the fight, it was by no means a 6 point win for him. Clearly the judge was in the pocket. Just in case. Really Carl's best win is over Jean Pascal. A fighter who is in the same boat as Carl. Not as good as he's made out to be.

The Ward fight is it for Fraud. He beats him and everything disappears. He becomes legit. If he loses (like expected) in a way like Green or Kessler lost and he proves the name Fraud stands.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Carl Froch is bad bad man.. He's a battle tested warrior who has proved himself over and over against the best.. That's no fraud..

A fraud is someone like Ricky Hatton.

He's a fraud based on the way he's viewed. I've heard some call him a great fighter? Are you fucking kidding me? I'll let good slide when talking about him. Great is just stupidity. People are getting fooled by his recent fights. Thinking he's more than he is. Showing there true stupidity.

He holds a win over Jermaine Taylor. But he didn't really beat Taylor. Taylor and that suspect stamina of his his beat Taylor. Everybody, including the announcers were waiting for the fade to come up. Carl was just at the right place at the right time. You replace Carl with lets say Brian McGee and you got the same outcome. Taylor running out of gas. Than you got the gift that was the Dirrell fight. Watching this fight a couple of times and I see no way possible Fraud won. You put this fight in fucking Jupiter or Saturn and you got a clear Dirrell win. Only in moronic Nottingham is this a Fraud win. Not only that but they had him winning by 3 points. 3 fucking points! What the fuck were they scoring? How was Carl scoring points? The rabbit punches? The throw downs? Those ain't point scoring activities. I don't deny Dirrell ran like a coward and at times held like a queer. But he still landed more scoring punches. That can't be ignored. Based on that it really is an easy Dirrell win. Fraud's whore was already in Dirrell's locker room with her panties off thinking her current meal ticket had lost. It was that clear. After robbing Dirrell, Fraud gets out fought by a close to being shot, one eye Kessler. Does he take the loss like a man? No. He whines and complains like a bitch. Than he threatens to withdraw from the tournament if he was forced to honor the contract he willingly signed and made to fight in his opponents backyard. Some warrior. After reaching a compromise that isn't even necessary he beats the oh so mediocre Arthur Abraham. He reaches the finals by beating 97 year old Glen Johnson. While I too had Carl winning the fight, it was by no means a 6 point win for him. Clearly the judge was in the pocket. Just in case. Really Carl's best win is over Jean Pascal. A fighter who is in the same boat as Carl. Not as good as he's made out to be.

The Ward fight is it for Fraud. He beats him and everything disappears. He becomes legit. If he loses (like expected) in a way like Green or Kessler lost and he proves the name Fraud stands.

I can tell you're a big fan of Froch. lol It's a subjective view and although I think he's a legitimate bad ass, Im not one of those people who regard him as a great fighter. NOt yet.. . He still has some more to prove before he can be mentioned amongs the greats but I think he has made the most out of what he has. I dont think he's that skilled like some people say but we got to give him credit for his mental toughness. Froch has so much belief in himself that he's beating people who he shouldnt be beating.. Say what you want but that is an exceptional fighter. Is he great? Not yet, but, he's pretty dam SPECIAL in my eyes.

Oh c'mon bro, you're trying to discredit him of the taylor victory but that was kind of like Margarito/Cotto.. Besides the fact that Taylor had stamina issues, he also had poor punch resistance and was unable to take as much as he dished out. That's why he lost.. Are we going to blame Froch for Taylor's poor stamina ? It was a great victory.. and no way Brian Magee doesnt beat taylor..

I totally agree with you on the Dirrell fight though... Froch got a semi-gift... But he does deserve alot of credit for outboxing Abraham. IT's not so much that he beat Abraham, but it's the way he beat him. Nobody knew Froch had that kind of boxing ability but in that fight, he proved to be more than a one trick pony and that's what makes that victory even sweeter..

If Pascal was the only big name on his resume, yea, i guess he could be overlooked but he proved to be a versatile fighter bout after bout against top notch competition so I dont understand how you can underrate him so much.. He's beaten fighters of all different kinds of styles and that's no easy task.. Thing is, Froch wasn't even the favorite to win the tournament but look where he's at now!!

[AdamGB]

I'd love to know who's calling him a great?

He's a genuine world class fighter who'll take on anybody anywhere. You can't get more legit. Simple as that.