Better Power, Wlad or Haye?

[rjj tszyu]

I personally think 'power' in the heavyweight division is irrelevant.

Guys that big all have the power to KO each other. It's about who can land.

Haye has the power to Ko Wlad. To me that isn't an issue it's about weather he can actually get a clean shot on wlads chin.

Sure wlad may have fought bigger stonger guys than haye but they were all, big fat heavy, slow and with limited ability.

It's a similar conversation to who is stronger, batman or the hulk. It's irrelevant, pointless and you have no true way of finding out.

There's something to go by, knockouts in HW fights, Wlad will soon have 50, Haye has 3, there's nothing irrelevant or pointless about that. You make it sound like Haye is on equal footing with Wlad, which to me is fucking ridiculous.

Haye has 3?? would you like to go and check your facts? Semiskur, Bonin, Barrett, Ruiz and Harrison = 3?

Personally I think Haye is the BETTER puncher. He has an average punch landed rate of 46% which is ridiculously high. I don't know what Wlads is but i'd bet it isn't that high. And his power has definitely followed him upto HW. My biggest concern for Haye is his stamina and how rash he gets when he has his man hurt. Look at the Ruiz fight, the first 2 punches he lands really badly hurt Ruiz because they were beautiful straight punches. Now if he had just picked another 1 or 2 like that the fight would have been over in the first round no doubt IMO, but he went in like a bull in a china shop SWINGING (straight fast shots are the key) like a mad man and that burnt him out for quite a while after. If he fought a little more carefully when he had his man hurt his landed rate would be even higher. Another good example was the Harrison fight. The first couple of shots landed and then he just swung for the fences and finished that fight with a career low 20% punches landed. Now luckily he was fighting an absolute bum who didn't know what to do anyway. If he makes this mistake vs Wlad he could well get caught out.

Now I have no doubt if he picks his shots against Wlad, that his speed and reflexes will be too much for the bigger slower man (I have been saying this for about 5 years now). But back to the question of BETTER POWER?? Well this is a hard one. IMO there is no doubt Wlad is stronger but Mariusz Pudzianowski is stronger than any HW boxer but get them to punch you and see who hurts the most. Punching is about technique and both men are very good punchers. I would say Wlad is maybe slightly ahead of Haye in power but I don't think it's much different. Haye is much more willing to let the big shots go early whereas Wlad tends to wait until there is no risk left before he lets his go. I think people on here get too caught up in the size issue. When you get a man over 210lbs who can punch well he is going to seriously do some damage. Now I'd say Wlad will outweigh Haye by 20-25lbs on fightnight but does that mean he will hit harder? NO. If Wlad was to fight Valuev he would be outweighed by around 75lbs but I have no doubt who the BETTER puncher is. But then you could turn it around and bring a prime Foreman into the argument and Wlad would outweigh him by around 20lbs and Foreman would win that power test.

To go out on a limb I say Wlad hits slightly harder while Haye hits faster and has more devil in his punches and confidence from the get go. One interesting fact though is the only common opponent, Monte Barrett, actually says Haye is the Better puncher but he would struggle with Wlads size. This was a couple of years ago just before Haye pulled out of the original fight. Now for me Haye has grown into HW a lot since they fought almost 3 years ago so his power will probably be much better now.

Oh fuck, how could I have possibly overlooked, that Haye also knocked out 2 other "Heavyweights", Semiskur, who out of 46 HW fights has an outstanding 17 wins, 28 lossess, and 1 draw, and Bonin, who outside of Poland nobody has ever heard of, for a grand total of 5! Grasping at straws rjj tszyu? Your boy is going to get his ass kicked on July 2nd, get used to the idea, it'll upset you less come fight night.

I forgot all Wlads KO's were against world champions!

I truly believe Haye will win. I don't need to grasp at straws, if I'm wrong i'll hold my hands up and take my new name and sig from Lyle with pleasure . It won't be the first time I'll have been wrong about at fight but I certainly thinl Haye causes Wlad trouble he has never faced! If you don't think he has the power to trouble Wlad you are delusional.

[Mars_ax]

I forgot all Wlads KO's were against world champions!

I truly believe Haye will win. I don't need to grasp at straws, if I'm wrong i'll hold my hands up and take my new name and sig from Lyle with pleasure . It won't be the first time I'll have been wrong about at fight but I certainly thinl Haye causes Wlad trouble he has never faced! If you don't think he has the power to trouble Wlad you are delusional.

There's nothing delusional it, Wlad has already fought and knocked out bigger punchers at HW, i'm just being realistic, some of you are vastly overrating Haye's power at HW. So after Wlad flattens your boy, what's your new name and sig going to be?

[ono]

Wlad not only has better power but a better delivery system. Wlad's punches are straighter, more accurate, and he doesn't throw himself off balance.

People say the WBA title holder has more handspeed but as we've seen time and time again TIMING beats handspeed and Wlad has timing.

I guess this is the interesting part. Wlad has great timing against static opponents. A mobile opponent, as quick and sharp as Haye, is harder to time. I suppose that's why it is interesting. Can Wlad time Haye quicker than Haye can land a big shot on Wlad?

I imagine he can personally, but i'm no Teddy Atlas

[captainanddew]

Wlad hits harder , but Haye has good power also , first big punch to land ends the fight.

doesn't even need to be a big punch. Wlad can hurt Haye with the jab. Haye said after he beat Monte No Guns Barrett that Barrett's jab felt harder than the right hands he felt at cruiser. Well, Wlad's jab is stronger than alot of right hands you see at HW.

Haye used a move and not get hit strategy against Valuev. He has to do the same against Wlad, but he also has to be more aggressive. He can't throw 13 shots a round and think that he can win the fight.

[rjj tszyu]

Wlad hits harder , but Haye has good power also , first big punch to land ends the fight.

doesn't even need to be a big punch. Wlad can hurt Haye with the jab. Haye said after he beat Monte No Guns Barrett that Barrett's jab felt harder than the right hands he felt at cruiser. Well, Wlad's jab is stronger than alot of right hands you see at HW.

Haye used a move and not get hit strategy against Valuev. He has to do the same against Wlad, but he also has to be more aggressive. He can't throw 13 shots a round and think that he can win the fight.

The thing is Wlads chin is so weak that he would not stand up to the shots Haye hit Valuev with.

[brocktonblockbust]

Wlad

[erics44]

im not sure that the OP conclusion is based entirely on unbias fact

both fighters have the power to KO each other thats for sure

id love to see them both stand infront of a punching power machine to see who hits harder, you could guess wlad because of the extra weight

this means nothing tho in a ring, haye seems to be able to land bigger punches individually, where as wlad seems to be able to land more often with the jab and a big right

[brocktonblockbust]

i think haye throws more arm punches than the arm-punching Wlad, which is pretty bad already.

[BIG H]

I forgot all Wlads KO's were against world champions!

I truly believe Haye will win. I don't need to grasp at straws, if I'm wrong i'll hold my hands up and take my new name and sig from Lyle with pleasure . It won't be the first time I'll have been wrong about at fight but I certainly thinl Haye causes Wlad trouble he has never faced! If you don't think he has the power to trouble Wlad you are delusional.

There's nothing delusional it, Wlad has already fought and knocked out bigger punchers at HW, i'm just being realistic, some of you are vastly overrating Haye's power at HW. So after Wlad flattens your boy, what's your new name and sig going to be?

I think that Wlad will win, I have always maintained this, but to say Haye can't stop Wlad, when Ross Purity, Lamont Brewster and Corey Sanders has is just stupid. Haye can definitely win this fight, I don't think he will, but Wlad aint indestructable (his brother is )

[Memphis]

Did this thread seriously kick off with Wlad hits harder because he's had more fights?

[Fenster]

Wlad is obviously stronger but Haye has more explosive power.

If Wlad stops Haye I expect he'll break him down. If Haye stops Wlad I expect an all of a sudden as Wlad is crawling around looking for Vitali, Manny and Lyle to come and save him.

[Mars_ax]

I forgot all Wlads KO's were against world champions!

I truly believe Haye will win. I don't need to grasp at straws, if I'm wrong i'll hold my hands up and take my new name and sig from Lyle with pleasure . It won't be the first time I'll have been wrong about at fight but I certainly thinl Haye causes Wlad trouble he has never faced! If you don't think he has the power to trouble Wlad you are delusional.

There's nothing delusional it, Wlad has already fought and knocked out bigger punchers at HW, i'm just being realistic, some of you are vastly overrating Haye's power at HW. So after Wlad flattens your boy, what's your new name and sig going to be?

I think that Wlad will win, I have always maintained this, but to say Haye can't stop Wlad, when Ross Purity, Lamont Brewster and Corey Sanders has is just stupid. Haye can definitely win this fight, I don't think he will, but Wlad aint indestructible (his brother is )

This isn't the same Wlad who was stopped by Ross Purity, Lamont Brewster or Corey Sanders, his defense is much better, as well as his stamina and skill level. No, Wlad isn't indestructible, but his "chin" isn't nearly as bad as some seem to think it is and as i've already mentioned, Haye's "power at HW is being overrated by the "wishful thinking" of "Mr. excitement's" fans.

The difference in power between the 2 isn't close, Wlad has devestating KO power and i've seen nothing to indicate that Haye's power is more than slightly above average at HW. If Haye does manage to land a few flush punches on Wlad, chances are Wlad ain't going nowhere, but if Wlad connects on Haye it's going to be lights out. Another reason why I say Haye has just about a zero chance of stopping Wlad, is he's going to be too busy running and getting pounded to throw many effective punches of his own. Not only is Wlad head and shoulders above Haye in the power department, he's also several levels above Haye in skills & experience, he's going to clown Haye and make him look like an amateur.

[Mars_ax]

im not sure that the OP conclusion is based entirely on unbias fact

both fighters have the power to KO each other thats for sure

id love to see them both stand infront of a punching power machine to see who hits harder, you could guess wlad because of the extra weight

this means nothing tho in a ring, haye seems to be able to land bigger punches individually, where as wlad seems to be able to land more often with the jab and a big right

Other than the fact that it's my opinion, what's bias about my conclusion?

My final conclusion is: Wlad has much better power at HW, is the bigger/stronger more skilled and experienced fighter, who will either school & annihilate Haye within 8 rounds, or methodically chase the scared shitless Haye around the ring for 12 rounds before winning a boring UD.

[Mars_ax]

Did this thread seriously kick off with Wlad hits harder because he's had more fights?

Hmmmm, not really.

[Memphis]

Did this thread seriously kick off with Wlad hits harder because he's had more fights?

Hmmmm, not really.

Sorry I missed the other completely irrelevant bit about Wlad already beating people who hit much harder than Haye.