Some facts about 'World Titles'

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Aaah...That sounds better, thanks Marb! I just found one fighter that was never recognised by the NYSAC... Gene Tunney!

Shame about the IBF & WBO though... More so as they were breakaway sanctions of the WBA... I wonder how long the writing was on the wall? Actually I wonder if it was a re-occuring threat over the years? All speculation but i'd be interested to know...
Also, it's a shame about all the regional affiliates... I mean i know about ALL of the regional titles I just never knew ANY of them were affiliated!?

[marbleheadmaui]

Aaah...That sounds better, thanks Marb! I just found one fighter that was never recognised by the NYSAC... Gene Tunney!

Shame about the IBF & WBO though... More so as they were breakaway sanctions of the WBA... I wonder how long the writing was on the wall? Actually I wonder if it was a re-occuring threat over the years? All speculation but i'd be interested to know...
Also, it's a shame about all the regional affiliates... I mean i know about ALL of the regional titles I just never knew ANY of them were affiliated!?

Back in the day when a champ died or moved up or retired susually what happened, noit always, but usually is some sort of tournament would be held. If the top two guys were obvious it was just them, if not the top four guys. There were still periods of confusion but they really were the exception and not the norm.

I like the idea of regional titles. Things like the Euro Championship or British Commonwealth champ or the OPBF (Asia) champ really meant something and were highly valued as tools for indicating who should be challenging for the "world" title.

I don't know how often other bodies used to spring up and threaten the established order pre 1962. I'm just clueless. Nobody thought the WBC was a very big deal nor the WBA initially because they rarely disagreed and even when they did it was clear who THE MAN was.

A simpler time.

[Master]

Good reads lads well done.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I like the idea of regional titles. Things like the Euro Championship or British Commonwealth champ or the OPBF (Asia) champ really meant something and were highly valued as tools for indicating who should be challenging for the "world" title.

It's just a shame that because of the number of belts that are out there, you can also have three or four (or more) European champs. Like I say, I knew of the regional belts but just never knew they were affiliated.

I don't know how often other bodies used to spring up and threaten the established order pre 1962.

No what I mean is, I wonder if there were any other internal disputes or power struggles that had happened prior to the 80's to such an extent where other officials from within the WBA had threatened to start their own Sanctioning body.

It just seems a little suspect that shortly after the allegations and scandals that began to emerge from the WBA camp, this new sanctioning body appears. I dunno, just speculating.

[marbleheadmaui]

I like the idea of regional titles. Things like the Euro Championship or British Commonwealth champ or the OPBF (Asia) champ really meant something and were highly valued as tools for indicating who should be challenging for the "world" title.

It's just a shame that because of the number of belts that are out there, you can also have three or four (or more) European champs. Like I say, I knew of the regional belts but just never knew they were affiliated.

I don't know how often other bodies used to spring up and threaten the established order pre 1962.

No what I mean is, I wonder if there were any other internal disputes or power struggles that had happened prior to the 80's to such an extent where other officials from within the WBA had threatened to start their own Sanctioning body.

It just seems a little suspect that shortly after the allegations and scandals that began to emerge from the WBA camp, this new sanctioning body appears. I dunno, just speculating.

As far as I can tell, this crap is all relatively new.

[marbleheadmaui]

Aaah...That sounds better, thanks Marb! I just found one fighter that was never recognised by the NYSAC... Gene Tunney!

Shame about the IBF & WBO though... More so as they were breakaway sanctions of the WBA... I wonder how long the writing was on the wall? Actually I wonder if it was a re-occuring threat over the years? All speculation but i'd be interested to know...
Also, it's a shame about all the regional affiliates... I mean i know about ALL of the regional titles I just never knew ANY of them were affiliated!?

It5 just occurred to me why NYSAC never recognized Gene Tunney, Harry Wills and William Mulsood.

Wills was a very prominent black heavy of that time. Nat Fleischer and a series of other boxing folks were pushing for him to get a title crack at Dempsey in the early 1920's. Wills was big and powerful but not quick and in my mind those are the guys Dempsey destroyed. BUT Wills had certainly earned a shot with wins over Langford (old by then) Jeanette, McVea and Fred Fulton among others. Of course promoters were still scared to death to match up a black guy for the crown given the national reaction to Jeffries-Johnson. Muldoon was a famous wrestler and then trainer of fighters who was so highly thought of he became the first commissioner of NYSAC, He refused to sanction any title fight for Dempsey except Wills and that is why neither Tunney fight was held in NY.