Haye-Wlad - HBO Face Off Video

[Gandalf]

These face offs are interesting, but never really tell us very much. Haye is speaking in his native language and can get his words off sharper, no big deal. Wlad is going to dominate him, unless Haye does his Valuev style routine, in which case we will get a dull Wlad points win.

you might have a point here, wlad might just be looking daft coz they arent talking in russian

To be fair to Wlad, even though he is awkward linguistically, he is seemingly more articulate and insightful than Haye. His English is actually very good. I always take note of boxers who go to the effort of learning English as a second language. It is also interesting to see if they are improving or not. It's easy for Haye to mock Wlad with Borat impressions, but that is just a cheap shot. Wlad speaks better English than Amir Khan.

[Mark TKO]

I not watched this yet but will do when I get home.

I have seen the Borat thing before though and agree it is a cheap shot and makes Haye look an idiot.

[erics44]

I not watched this yet but will do when I get home.

I have seen the Borat thing before though and agree it is a cheap shot and makes Haye look an idiot.

its wlad who keeps going on about it, haye mentioned it once and then wlad brought it up on ringside and then in all his interviews when haye isnt there

[Violent Demise]

It was a good watch. I thought Wlad's attempted hand shake at the end was a brilliant move. It clearly caught Haye off guard. Made him look like a scared bitch when he refused to shake it

[brocktonblockbust]

He probably does too! I like Wlad the more I hear him.

And look at Haye with the constant "He's shook.....he's shook". No way Wlad makes those kinds of silly errors. Do you possibly mean that "he is shaken"?

Then again you also have Jim Lampley with the constant "Coming up on March three". Have you never heard of ordinal numbers?

Must be a boxing thing with all these weird language forms materialising. They always stand out when I hear them.

I agree its too many shots to the cranium. Scrambles their grammar.

[AdamGB]

I think it's more to do with the fact that Haye is speaking with colloquial English... whilst Wlad is speaking with textbook English.

If you are educated to speak a language, rather than immersed in a language and culture during your upbringing then of course you are going to speak it more purely.

Miles I'm assuming that being an English teacher, you already knew this... so I really don't see your point. I agree that the fact that English isn't Wlad's first language matters when assessing whether he is shook/shaken/shooken (:P) by Haye, as for Haye's grasp of English? It's completely irrelevant and just screams a bit of snobbery to be honest.

[brocktonblockbust]

ok Adam, another cool click.

[brocktonblockbust]

However I agree with Miles, I cant stand this modern coining of nonsensical vocab and bogus usage.

[AdamGB]

*sigh* go on then, have one back...

[Gandalf]

I think it's more to do with the fact that Haye is speaking with colloquial English... whilst Wlad is speaking with textbook English.

If you are educated to speak a language, rather than immersed in a language and culture during your upbringing then of course you are going to speak it more purely.

Miles I'm assuming that being an English teacher, you already knew this... so I really don't see your point. I agree that the fact that English isn't Wlad's first language matters when assessing whether he is shook/shaken/shooken (:P) by Haye, as for Haye's grasp of English? It's completely irrelevant and just screams a bit of snobbery to be honest.

I don't really know what your first two paragraphs are in reference to really.

Haye was the one talking about Wlad being 'shook'. It is low level dumb English and spoken in front of an audience. It isn't snobbery to point out that Haye doesn't even know how to speak standard English using correct grammatical forms. Haye was speaking English poorly and in a way that nobody should be using. It was awful.

In the heat of the moment the man had no idea how to use his language. That is the only point I was making. Otherwise I have no idea what you are going on about.

[Gandalf]

Wlad never strode into such weird unorthodoxies. Maybe it is because he has actually studied the language unlike Haye who gave up at 5 and decided he was quite fluent enough.

[armin]

Saw the video and not sure in what sense haye was using "shook". if he meant scarred no, if he meant "dam this dudes actually mad and might jump over the table and strangle me" then he might be correct. I think we are all reading way to much into all this junk anyways. we think its a big hwy fight but honestly don't think its any bigger than any of wlads previous bouts. I don't think the average american sports watcher is even aware this is happening, nothing about it on espn or anywhere just hbo advertising it on their other boxing broadcasts.

[Rocky11]

I'm new to this forum & had no intention of posting a reply, as a big boxing fan i was just happy reading peoples veiws & opinions that was until I got fed up reading the utter dog shit that (el kabong) posts.what a fucking tit! Unplug yourself from klit & start talking sense.

[El Kabong]

Well let's see who's opinion turns out to be fact come July 2nd.

Michael Grant wasn't ready for Lennox Lewis and this cat ain't ready for Wladimir Klitschko.

When the biggest heavyweight power puncher you've fought is Audley Harrison and the best "boxer" you've fought is John Ruiz and now you're supposed to be ready to take out Wladimir Klitschko?

I'm just floating that out there for you to think about.....not that you will.

[FinitoElDinamita]

I think it's more to do with the fact that Haye is speaking with colloquial English... whilst Wlad is speaking with textbook English.

If you are educated to speak a language, rather than immersed in a language and culture during your upbringing then of course you are going to speak it more purely.

Miles I'm assuming that being an English teacher, you already knew this... so I really don't see your point. I agree that the fact that English isn't Wlad's first language matters when assessing whether he is shook/shaken/shooken (:P) by Haye, as for Haye's grasp of English? It's completely irrelevant and just screams a bit of snobbery to be honest.

Great post.. I haven't read through the thread but I dont know what the fuss is about. Shook, Shaken or whatevers.. who cares, we all make errors..

Haye strikes me as a well spoken guy from what I've seen. He's quite articulate.