Haye-Wlad - HBO Face Off Video

[Gandalf]

Piye, go fuck yourself!

It is poor language use end of. If you think low level lyricists define our language environment then you you are clearly as inbred as Haye.

What kind of school teaches this? What kind of dummy chooses illiterate lyricists over the Collin's Cobuild book of grammar?

Get out of here with your street gutter talk and learn to appreciate well spoken English.

What a piece of shit you turned out to be.

I'm a lecturer of Media Studies and Miles is a teacher of English and a massive cunt, it's not some major accomplishment to work as a teacher or a lecturer. Only a cunt would sit on a forum insulting guys that make a lot more money than you have or ever will do and both David Haye and these uneducated lyricists you refer to make a lot more money than you cunt.

You called me a cunt three times so fuck you once again. I only ever get nasty in response to someone dishing the insults first.

It is about respect for rules and form. If we woz all tawking lik dis, den we'd ave a bladdy hawd time commoonicatin. I'm a lecturer myself, so have a deep respect for language and expect others to do so too. There are differences between spoken and written English, but there is a big difference between someone who is well spoken and someone who hasn't even mastered basic grammatical functions appropriately. I simply pointed this out. Haye stumbles around quite a lot, but of course he is a bit richer than me, so I should let it pass.

Wealth is totally besides the point and using uneducated lyricists to further your claim is silly. Instead you should be saying that this kind of language would never pass in the media or in a self respecting classroom. Haye couldn't find the correct words, why are you people so defensive about this? Standards are falling if you excuse these kinds of things. Would you seriously not correct one of your students if they made repeated language mistakes and didn't even realise they were doing it?

All I have done is point out something from a video that has been posted. Language is the first thing I ever think about whenever I hear anybody speak. Such anger and defensiveness, what are you people so wounded by? You started dishing the insults and act like a wounded tiger when I strike back. Tut tut.

And this is really my last post in this thread because I have made my points and yet for some daft reason, a few of you (clearly Haye fans) keep calling me back in. The argument has nowhere else to go and I am content to leave it at that. But no doubt Adam GB will be harping on about silver spoons and showjumping and you will be calling me a cunt again. Well, that's for you two to decide.

OK you cunt, run from a discussion like the cowardly cunt you are. The problem I have is with you expecting everyone else to conform to your expectations. It's a fact that popular culture and region has a large impact upon our language. Some people say nowt and Mardy does this make them lesser people? who are you Mr English Lecturer to pass judgement? Is Haye in a classroom? Cunt?

It isn't really much of a discussion though, is it? You called me a cunt three more times too. You should really be banned for polluting the board in this way. You clearly have anger issues.

Having lived in two very different regions of the UK I have seen and experienced differences in lanaguage and accent, but rarely have I seen rules of grammar be seriously inverted. 'Nowt' is simply a variation of nothing. "I didn't do nothing" is another one that is quite common. Or maybe we could say "I didn't do nowt". Ultimately though it is mediocre and usually spoken by people who really don't know any better. My friends in my hometown would make such utterances and they are still there and probably still saying the same things. I certainly do not teach such localised types of language as I think they are useless and interests are better served by using universal and more commonly accepted language forms. "I didn't do anything" is a far more acceptable utterance. Not only is it correct, but you are less liable to be misunderstood by anyone the world over. It is English spoken properly. Haye isn't in a classroom, but what he said struck me as extremely unorthodox and that is because it is. Sure, he can get away with saying it, but it has a serious touch of the "I didn't do nowt" about it. It isn't a universally accepted usage of that grammatical area. I earn my bread and butter from language and I love language, but poor language use does offend me. I can't make any bones about that.

Your post reeks of utter hostility and malice. I think you should have a cup of tea and put on a happy face for your students. I don't bear you any ill will nor Haye either for that matter. However, for some reason being annoyed with a language form has made people seriously angry. You guys are worse than Haye refusing to shake the magic hand and then getting a hard on. Just chill the fuck out!