Scoring Fights From Your Living Room Is Unreliable

[Andre]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

[marbleheadmaui]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

[armin]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

It is faaaar from perfect, and just because we always had it doesn't mean we shouldn't amend it. I say keep two ringside, and stick one in a room by himself with a tv without sound. Make replay available to ref and judge so they don't fuck up imporant calls like knockdowns ruled as slips, vice versa, and cuts being caused by headbuts as opposed to punches. Also we can know when judges are biased or maybe even in the pockets of promoters when they're scoring is different from everyone else it seems including press row, since usually they have a similar angle on the fight. Like how the hell did one judge have williams up 119-109 in the first martinez fight, dudes blind, I don't care if you watched that fight from space thru a telescope no way did martinez just win one round of that fight. Well rant over...lol

[marbleheadmaui]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

It is faaaar from perfect, and just because we always had it doesn't mean we shouldn't amend it. I say keep two ringside, and stick one in a room by himself with a tv without sound. Make replay available to ref and judge so they don't fuck up imporant calls like knockdowns ruled as slips, vice versa, and cuts being caused by headbuts as opposed to punches. Also we can know when judges are biased or maybe even in the pockets of promoters when they're scoring is different from everyone else it seems including press row, since usually they have a similar angle on the fight. Like how the hell did one judge have williams up 119-109 in the first martinez fight, dudes blind, I don't care if you watched that fight from space thru a telescope no way did martinez just win one round of that fight. Well rant over...lol

I don't know how you put people in a booth unless one can do 100% of all fights that way. One can make a real argument that all three judges being that way might be the best way, but until we can afford it for everyone? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I think replay etc is a seriously bad idea in a sport in which fitness and recovery time matter. I mean how long do you give someone to change the ref's call? When do the corner's get notified? What happens if the truck takes too long to find the best shot or has cameras placed in places where they have no shot?

I have a MUCH better idea on the cuts issue. Revert back to the way it was for 100 years. A cut is a cut, get over it and keep going or you lose.

[Andre]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

It is faaaar from perfect, and just because we always had it doesn't mean we shouldn't amend it. I say keep two ringside, and stick one in a room by himself with a tv without sound. Make replay available to ref and judge so they don't fuck up imporant calls like knockdowns ruled as slips, vice versa, and cuts being caused by headbuts as opposed to punches. Also we can know when judges are biased or maybe even in the pockets of promoters when they're scoring is different from everyone else it seems including press row, since usually they have a similar angle on the fight. Like how the hell did one judge have williams up 119-109 in the first martinez fight, dudes blind, I don't care if you watched that fight from space thru a telescope no way did martinez just win one round of that fight. Well rant over...lol

I don't know how you put people in a booth unless one can do 100% of all fights that way. One can make a real argument that all three judges being that way might be the best way, but until we can afford it for everyone? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I think replay etc is a seriously bad idea in a sport in which fitness and recovery time matter. I mean how long do you give someone to change the ref's call? When do the corner's get notified? What happens if the truck takes too long to find the best shot or has cameras placed in places where they have no shot?

I have a MUCH better idea on the cuts issue. Revert back to the way it was for 100 years. A cut is a cut, get over it and keep going or you lose.

A small tv screen in front of every judge at ringside for when they cant see.

[erics44]

you could totally turn the op around and give the same reasons why it is more reliable to score from your living room

[badr_hari]

you could totally turn the op around and give the same reasons why it is more reliable to score from your living room

agreed.

[Spicoli]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

I would take ringside judging over another that we have had and that is the Ref being the sole deciding factor in a contest. I'm not sure there was-is much oversight in that situation but many a fight had a situation where ref could 'structure' the flow as rounds went and make all calls regarding outcome...at the end raising one hand or both. Not entirely sure if they still judge in this manner but was very odd to me.

I mean really, what options do we have? If every armchair fan had a real impact with every shout we would have a Fantasy football or something. But boxing is indeed perseption and a matter of pick your poison.

[Violent Demise]

No doubt scoring from home and from ring side are very different. But it don't matter if he's scoring from home, ring side or from some terrible stream that freezes every 2 seconds chances are Violent D's score card is scored the right way

[marbleheadmaui]

No doubt scoring from home and from ring side are very different. But it don't matter if he's scoring from home, ring side or from some terrible stream that freezes every 2 seconds chances are Violent D's score card is scored the right way

Nobody I know of would question that. And those who did in the past are buried along a secluded beach here on Maui.