Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?

[Teas]

Speed is key. Think haye will come in and take a look for a couple of rounds see how fast or slow the jab is and work round timing off that, with his right hand, will be very exciting fight or to some people boring. All depends on if haye opens up early in the fight or later on.

[GAME]

Speed is key. Think haye will come in and take a look for a couple of rounds see how fast or slow the jab is and work round timing off that, with his right hand, will be very exciting fight or to some people boring. All depends on if haye opens up early in the fight or later on.

Speed kills in boxing. When a fight is so hard to call I tend to go with the quicker man.

He should follow the blueprint laid out by Corrie Sanders. He was in a similar position - powerful guy with quick hands but incapable of a long hard fight and cant absorb a flush punch from Wvlad. So Corrie stayed on the outside and used ambush tactics that worked a treat.

Barry and Ricky were on about Haye taking centre ring catching the jab and pushing Wvlad back. No chance. Thats suicidal tactics that he doesnt have the chin for. Look how he has fought his big nights against Valuev, Audley and Valuev - He has always taken a long look then burst into action. He even trains that way. No long distance runs its all about explosive bursts cuz he is an athlete and fights like 1.

I see it caution from both men, maybe we will hear some booing but Wvlads use to that, he wont mind and neither will Haye cuz whe it catches fire it will get very interesting.

[Hornfinger]

Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.

[Andre]

Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.

Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.

Still Wlad within 10 minutes.

[marbleheadmaui]

Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.

Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.

Still Wlad within 10 minutes.

Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.

[Andre]

Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.

Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.

Still Wlad within 10 minutes.

Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.

Yeah thats pretty much it, its why i thought he has to upset his balance or rhythm or something , its not just going to work by upsetting his feelings in an interview.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.

Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.

Still Wlad within 10 minutes.

Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.

Yeah thats pretty much it, its why i thought he has to upset his balance or rhythm or something , its not just going to work by upsetting his feelings in an interview.

Seems like Me, Lyle & Marb all agree that Wlad's Hook is a huge threat...For me, It's the punch Haye wont see coming if he is not careful.

Haye cannot afford to spend too long simply avoiding jabs and setting traps but I'm sure he will find some success (from the middle of the ring to the ropes) by slipping / stepping/ sniping if he chooses to plant his feet at the right time. I've seen Chambers, Brock & Thompson all have varied success at this. The only problem all those guys had was that they weren't fast enough on their feet... Or they just didn't move at all.

Haye, I'm sure, can 'go missing' if he wants to which leads me to believe this can easily be a long fight, because Haye won't be as desperate as it may seem to some.

I think Haye believes that he will simply move a round the ring, flirt with Wladimir's punching range, keep him on edge and just pick his moments in getting to Wladimir.

I think a huge part of Hayes success in putting pressure on Wladimir and finding his chin is by showing that he can reach Wladimir's ribs... Not via bobbing and weaving or constant furious movements but by staying out of range, keeping Wladimir's foot work in check, picking his moments, feint up top and throwing downstairs.

He also has to realistic and assume that no amount of manoeuvring is going to engineer success in combination punching.

One of the reasons why is because nigh on every time someone takes a swing at Wladimir, he skips straight back (in a straight line), regardless of where the attacks come from or where he is situated around the ring. (Meaning this can be used against him to drive him to the ropes).

The other thing he does is strong-arm you two ways, either in a sort of arms out in the air like Hasim Rahman's 'My arms are longer than Lennox Lewis' sort of way which is effective at deflecting incoming punches... Or he simply pushes your head down.

The main thing is remembering that Wladimir always retreats in straight lines so if you can drive him back to the ropes where (if your smart, patient, explosive & accurate) you can probably initiate a more intense & sustained body attack (without bobbing and weaving as mentioned earlier) as Wladimir will instinctively look to do some very rudimentary things, none of which include protecting his body.

This puts Pressure on Wladimir to do some relatively rash things which puts him right where David wants him.

It's all about manoeuvring him to the ropes and putting pressure on him to lash out.
All of which would be far more easier to do in a southpaw stance IMO.

[Hornfinger]

Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.

Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.

Still Wlad within 10 minutes.

Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.

Wlad throws a left.

Haye steps off to his right (wlads left) outside of the jab...

How the fuck is wlad going to land a left hook from that position? It's nearly physically imposible.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Time the jab, step off to the side Right hand over the top. That will win the fight.

Its his only hope really.
Hope he's been practicing it. I recon the only way to time that reach and jab would be to have been practicing with a tall lanky lighter weighted fast ground coverer that throws controlling jabs.Then break down the timing with reactive footwork so that as he moves Haye also shifts or attacks the jab out of the way to disrupt balance so to still catch them coming and be in distance with a finishing combo as wlads reacting. Easier said than done if you haven't been doing it in sparring. that overhand right would be a wicked finisher if the opponent was still reacting to something else so it is unseen.

Still Wlad within 10 minutes.

Time the jab, step to the right and BOOM! Left hook by Wlad off the jab.

Wlad throws a left.

Haye steps off to his right (wlads left) outside of the jab...

How the fuck is wlad going to land a left hook from that position? It's nearly physically imposible.

It would depend on the position of the feet.

[Timlfc79]

I think Haye needs to pressure him early. Wlad in my opinion doesn't box well on the back foot. As an Englishman and for the good of the Universe I hope Haye wins but, I have a feeling Wlad will knock him out between rounds 7-9.