Haye has shocking stamina

[CommunistKevin]

First off. At least here in the states if you are a competitive distance runner you run long distance to build up endurance. While you do periodic sprint training to help with actual muscle strength. Over ninety percent is spent on just distance running to help endurance. Boxers do the same thing when training here. Cardio by definition means extended periods of excercise which is much more effective for endurance then short burst excercises which are intended for strength.

[Master]

Both fighters lack stamina, and are slow paced fights. Haye is more explosive but will not be able to sustain the attack. Wlad is just plain over cautious bordering on passive and boring

[AdamGB]

First off. At least here in the states if you are a competitive distance runner you run long distance to build up endurance. While you do periodic sprint training to help with actual muscle strength. Over ninety percent is spent on just distance running to help endurance. Boxers do the same thing when training here. Cardio by definition means extended periods of excercise which is much more effective for endurance then short burst excercises which are intended for strength.

I think you mean 'Aerobic'. 'Cardio' would be defined as a training session that elevates the heart rate with the goal of improving energy output from the body. No work/rest timing ratio or intensity has to be defined.

'Cardio' is an extremely vague term.

Aerobic conditioning: an athlete's ability to sustain an activity of light intensity for a prolonged amount of time. The Aerobic energy system can utilises fat and carbohydrates to produce energy and can work as long as these fuels are available.

Anaerobic conditioning: An athlete's ability to sustain an activity of very high intensity for a short period of time. The body has two Anaerobic energy systems - lactic acid (moderate high intensity, moderate duration 1-120 seconds) ATP-CP (very high intensity, short duration 1-30 seconds)

None of these 3 systems are used individually, but the activity will dictate which one is more predominantly used. An Athletes fitness will determine the intensity that they can output and for the time before that intensity drops (known as a 'threshold', the energy system has basically ran out of energy and needs to replenish itself) as well as how long it will be before the energy system has replenished it's fuel.

If long distance running etc only trains your aerobic energy system/threshold, whilst repeated intervals of short intense activity (think sprinting, bag work, sledgehammer/log chopping etc) train to all three energy system's thresholds... considering the nature of boxing (explosive, repeated bouts of action interspersed with short rest periods) -

Which type of training would you think beneficial?

...and no, sprinting is not 'strength training' stronger legs might improve sprinting speed but that doesn't mean that sprinting is strength training.

Strength is just a component used during that activity... sprinting develops the nervous system, running technique, anaerobic fitness and a small bit of muscular power. To improve muscle Strength/Power you need to overload the muscles and you're not going to do that just by trying to run faster.

Endurance athletes do endurance training... for a specific event. long distance runs will increase an athletes aerobic fitness and muscular endurance. But that is not the same as stamina/conditioning.

Hitmanhammer, you mentioned Usan Bolt being a marathon champion... I'll put it this way... if I had to put money on either Bolt or Haile Gebrselassie (Marathon world record holder) doing well as a boxer - it would go on bolt!

Hope this helps the miss informed bickering.

To give my own personal take - Haye's looked to have bad stamina at a lighter weight abd when he was less experienced. He's clearly a fast twitch/Anaerobic type of guy (genetically we all have strengths and weaknesses... we can only build from them) but being more experinced and not weight drained can't have hurt his stamina.

[armyash]

I remember haye being criticised years ago (around the time of the Thompson loss) for his training methods. He was training in swanky gyms lifting loads of weights. I think it showed he was neglecting the boxing training but he does look to have improved. I dont think his stamina is amazing by any means but its a vast improvement on what it was.

Lets not forget, Klitschko does 12 rounds and makes it look easy but it's not the same when his fights are usually 1 way traffic after a few rounds. See if he starts running out of gas a bit quicker than usual and start to lose his composure.

Who here has boxed? Surely you have had sparring sessions where you are on top for the majority and you must know it's a lot easier than where you actually have someone battling back at you