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[marbleheadmaui]

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

13?

The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

[CFH]

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

13?

The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

THat might have been the worst fight I have ever seen.

[marbleheadmaui]

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

THat might have been the worst fight I have ever seen.

I don't know if it was the worst I've ever seen (I loathe mismatch driven quick KO's) but I remember being utterly aghast at what I was watching. I couldn't believe Valuev's incompetence nor 13's passivity.

[Fenster]

Memphis is on the Haye team. I'm adding Jaz and Rhun too.

That's 10-11 Brits that make Wlad favourite but want Haye.

Jim Boogie you're backing Haye, right?

[boxingbantz]

I'm a Brit who wants Wlad to win and think he will.

Put that in your stats and smoke it.

[Fenster]

I'm a Brit who wants Wlad to win and think he will.

Put that in your stats and smoke it.

Your opinion is fine boxingbantz. Us Haye supporters welcome it ......... (fucking traitor).

You're squashing this idea all Brits are supporting Haye, and subsequently will be crying if he loses.

[Hunter]

The only way Haye can possibly win is if he runs all night and waits for Wlad to make a mistake. There is no way he can Blitz this version of Wlad. Wlads jab is too fast and hard. Even if Haye lands one on Wlads chin I believe Wlad will walk through it. Haye is not as big a puncher as everyone is making him out to be. Haye's power is no where near Lewis or either Klitchsko.

[Fenster]

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

[marbleheadmaui]

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

Let's try it this way. Find me another fighter in the history of the gloved sport, any division, any time who landed fewer than 100 punches in a distance fight and won a strap.

The issue is one of character. How could 13 POSSIBLY have been comfortable he was doing enough to win? It was just bizzarre.

[Fenster]

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

Let's try it this way. Find me another fighter in the history of the gloved sport, any division, any time who landed fewer than 100 punches in a distance fight and won a strap.

The issue is one of character. How could 13 POSSIBLY have been comfortable he was doing enough to win? It was just bizzarre.

Find me another fighter that gave away 100lb and a foot in height?

13 was comfortable because he wasn't being hit.

You believe Graham Houston is a good judge, right? DAVID HAYE W12 (maj.) NIKOLAI VALUEV

[boxingbantz]

The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

Audley Harrison landed ONE punch in three rounds vs Haye. That was a big fight if you believed the British media? Then again, us in the know about boxing, knew it was anything other than that. "The biggest British fight since Lewis/Bruno". What a disgrace.