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    Default Re: The Recent Demise of American Boxing

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    #1 These things are cyclical but due to there being no more USSR that deepens the talent pool. There are also more defectors from Cuba. The US has not been challenged to produce true great boxers for a while, it was a given we'd have them and look how our Olympic team has suffered. Never to fear, we'll be back, like I said its cyclical.

    #2 The NBA and MLB have WORLD Champions because the best players in the world play in those leagues....anybody doubt that?
    Outside of America no-one gives a shit about those sports. You can't compare a predominant American sport with one like football (soccer). Everywhere on the planet it is played and worshipped in astronomical numbers, by all walks of life.

    Is being the worlds best baseball team any better than being the worlds best sumo?
    That's actually incredibly ignorant, South America is baseball crazy and I doubt there is a single roster in the MLB that doesn't have at least 5 dudes who's first language is Spanish. Asia has also taken to baseball, so it's basically just Europe and Africa that hasn't.

    The Giants last year won the World Series with Pablo Sandoval, Juan Uribe, Edgar Renteria, Guillermo Mota, Santiago Cassilla, Jonathan Sanchez (Puerto Rican but still spanish is first language) and Denny Bautista. That's 7 of 25 men not from America. And other teams have much more.

    So yes, it is a "World Series" because not a soul would argue that any other baseball team outside of America would beat the Giants in a 7 game series. No German team would beat the Mavs because the best German is on the Mavs. When the best players come over, because the 50 best baseball players play in America no doubt. Well maybe Cuba has a few of those guys but you know the deal there. Just like the best Sumo are in Japan but that sport doesn't have anything close to the influence of baseball or basketball.
    The only 2 spanish speakingcountries where baseball is really crazy popular are Domminican Republics, Cuba and Puerto Rico and none of them are in South America (rather in the Carribeans), which is not exactly he same thing. Spanish speaking player absolutely doesn't mean south america, you have tons of spanish speaking players in US and the others are from the Carribean countries I just mentioned. Baseball is played a bit in S.A but it is terribly, terribly marginal compared to football/soccer over there.
    I should have said latin America but either way you forgot Venezuela and baseball also extends into Colombia.

    Also, Japan has won the last 2 baseball 'world cups' or World Baseball Classics and their best players play, well yeah in America. Which is why the MLB can make the claim that it has a 'World Series'

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    Default Re: The Recent Demise of American Boxing

    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
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    #1 These things are cyclical but due to there being no more USSR that deepens the talent pool. There are also more defectors from Cuba. The US has not been challenged to produce true great boxers for a while, it was a given we'd have them and look how our Olympic team has suffered. Never to fear, we'll be back, like I said its cyclical.

    #2 The NBA and MLB have WORLD Champions because the best players in the world play in those leagues....anybody doubt that?
    Outside of America no-one gives a shit about those sports. You can't compare a predominant American sport with one like football (soccer). Everywhere on the planet it is played and worshipped in astronomical numbers, by all walks of life.

    Is being the worlds best baseball team any better than being the worlds best sumo?
    That's actually incredibly ignorant, South America is baseball crazy and I doubt there is a single roster in the MLB that doesn't have at least 5 dudes who's first language is Spanish. Asia has also taken to baseball, so it's basically just Europe and Africa that hasn't.

    The Giants last year won the World Series with Pablo Sandoval, Juan Uribe, Edgar Renteria, Guillermo Mota, Santiago Cassilla, Jonathan Sanchez (Puerto Rican but still spanish is first language) and Denny Bautista. That's 7 of 25 men not from America. And other teams have much more.

    So yes, it is a "World Series" because not a soul would argue that any other baseball team outside of America would beat the Giants in a 7 game series. No German team would beat the Mavs because the best German is on the Mavs. When the best players come over, because the 50 best baseball players play in America no doubt. Well maybe Cuba has a few of those guys but you know the deal there. Just like the best Sumo are in Japan but that sport doesn't have anything close to the influence of baseball or basketball.
    The only 2 spanish speakingcountries where baseball is really crazy popular are Domminican Republics, Cuba and Puerto Rico and none of them are in South America (rather in the Carribeans), which is not exactly he same thing. Spanish speaking player absolutely doesn't mean south america, you have tons of spanish speaking players in US and the others are from the Carribean countries I just mentioned. Baseball is played a bit in S.A but it is terribly, terribly marginal compared to football/soccer over there.
    I should have said latin America but either way you forgot Venezuela and baseball also extends into Colombia.

    Also, Japan has won the last 2 baseball 'world cups' or World Baseball Classics and their best players play, well yeah in America. Which is why the MLB can make the claim that it has a 'World Series'
    Yeah Japan has been huge on baseball for years, I have a few japanese friends in Canada and they told me that everytime Dice-K or Ishiro Suzuki are playing, the matches are almost systematically broadcasted. I was talking more about South America though, baseball is played in Venezuela and Columbia, sure, but baseball in there is quite "marginal" compared to Soccer for example.
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