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Hidden Content Bring me the best and I will knock them out-Alexis Arguello
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I've had serious probs with Rahman in a couple but as you say records needs proper context. That Tua loss was far from clean and though excuses are like A-holes he was doing very well in both bouts before he was caught with bricks outta a dark alley. In no fashion was he then getting pasted like a journeyman? Ring mag had him ranked in top 10, that used to mean something.
I think Lewis looking at him as just a journeyman and taking things for granted helped contribute to him staring at the lights.
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I think it is a bit harsh to call Rahman a journeyman, although it probably does apply to McCall.
The fact that Lewis was knocked cold by a couple of mediocre fighters does mean he was slightly vulnerable and probably didn't have the best chin the world has ever seen, but I don't see how anyone can say he had a glass jaw.
At the end of the day he avenged his defeats and he retired at the top, which sets him apart from a lot of the great heavyweight champions.
Lewis is unfortunate that he wasn't around when Tyson was in his prime. By the time he got hold of Tyson, Mike was way past his best, overweight and clearly not all that interested anymore. He also met Holyfield on the way down and never fought Bowe either. He was kind of in the right place at the right time and I think that is why some people don't give him the credit he deserves.
I would love to have seen him take on a prime Tyson, Holyfield or Bowe. I think he could have beaten Holyfield and Bowe, but I'm not so sure about a prime Tyson. I think Mike might have been too quick for him.
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He was beating both Tua and Maskaev before being stopped, but regardless, losing to those 2 does not make you a journeyman. Beating Corrie Sanders (who levelled Wlad) does not make you a journeyman.
So was JCC a journeyman at 44-0. Not being alegend and being a journeyman are not even in the same ball park. Journeyman do not get to 34-2
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Wlad and Lennox are a lot alike. Sure Lennox had better talent to test himself against, but Wlad has fought everyone he can and beaten them. Both men took their eyes off the prize at a few points in their careers, but they regrouped and were better fighters because of their losses.
But if were talking about Lennox coming back at 45 and fighting Wlad or Vitali. I just don't give him a good chance because he's been retired for so long and hell the guy retired on top he's not coming back, why worry about it?
Lennox was a great fighter but he's retired now and he'll stay that way. Wlad is in his prime, he's going to be around for a few more years I think boxing fans should try to show him some respect.
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