Congratulations David Haye. Magnificent effort. Fact.

[Fenster]

Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me?

[TitoFan]

Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me?

No problem, Fen. I'm just calling you out because I feel you're defending the indefensible. In a way I sort of understand. It's not easy to stand there and say: "My guy stunk up the joint and I was dead wrong." But hey..... Dark Lord Al is doing it, and to an extent so is Miles. But I know it's difficult.... seriously.

[Gandalf]

In my case though, I was really never in Haye's corner. So, I'm not the best example. In the case of others then sure.

[Kev]

I don't see how he is defending the indefensible

Haye was a smaller guy moving up from a lower division and in the circumstances he fought a plucky fight and made a decent effort. No way did I expect him to go 12 rounds, when bigger, and I believed better fighters, like Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers both failed.

But he made a decent go of it. The first few rounds were very entertaining no matter what anybody says and it was only in the second half of the fight when the fight started slipping away from him that he reverted to the survival type tactics adopted by all of Wlad's opponents.

He lost because Wlad is a very very good world champion. He didn't disgrace himself in the ring and put up a decent effort in a very difficult challenge.

Sure his prefight claims were made to look silly, and his excuses afterwards were pretty laughable but there wasn't anything wrong with his efforts in the ring imo.

People who are complaining either wanted to see him get knocked out, or else just wanted him to throw caution to the wind and go out slugging and either knock out Wlad, or be knocked out, probably didn't care either way, just wanted some good action.

But it's different when you're the actual guy in the ring taking the shots.

For those who bought the card and feel ripped off, well don't be a mug next time.

Sign up to a stream site and watch it for $5, the best stream sites have high def streams now. I watched it at 720p on my 40in lcd in the lounge as part of $10 monthly stream fee for all boxing, ufc and other sports.

It was great.

[Fenster]

Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me?

No problem, Fen. I'm just calling you out because I feel you're defending the indefensible. In a way I sort of understand. It's not easy to stand there and say: "My guy stunk up the joint and I was dead wrong." But hey..... Dark Lord Al is doing it, and to an extent so is Miles. But I know it's difficult.... seriously.

So you want me to lie?

I didn't realise everyone had to think and see exactly the same thing in life?

Sorry if I didn't see what you did.

Bilbo, good post (me and bilbo in agreement on something. Hilarious.)

[AdamGB]

I don't see how he is defending the indefensible

Haye was a smaller guy moving up from a lower division and in the circumstances he fought a plucky fight and made a decent effort. No way did I expect him to go 12 rounds, when bigger, and I believed better fighters, like Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers both failed.

But he made a decent go of it. The first few rounds were very entertaining no matter what anybody says and it was only in the second half of the fight when the fight started slipping away from him that he reverted to the survival type tactics adopted by all of Wlad's opponents.

He lost because Wlad is a very very good world champion. He didn't disgrace himself in the ring and put up a decent effort in a very difficult challenge.

Sure his prefight claims were made to look silly, and his excuses afterwards were pretty laughable but there wasn't anything wrong with his efforts in the ring imo.

People who are complaining either wanted to see him get knocked out, or else just wanted him to throw caution to the wind and go out slugging and either knock out Wlad, or be knocked out, probably didn't care either way, just wanted some good action.

But it's different when you're the actual guy in the ring taking the shots.

For those who bought the card and feel ripped off, well don't be a mug next time.

Sign up to a stream site and watch it for $5, the best stream sites have high def streams now. I watched it at 720p on my 40in lcd in the lounge as part of $10 monthly stream fee for all boxing, ufc and other sports.

It was great.

Do I actually 100% with bilbo?

[rowza]

The real Deal Vs Klitch next haha

[:::PSL:::]

He should've trained with Freddie Roach.

[Rantcatrat]

Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

You hated Haye before this fight.. now you hate him even more.

I thought Haye was a good boxer before this fight.. and I still KNOW he is a good boxer.

Sorry mate but i'm clearly not as emotionally attached to this stuff as you. I am not gutted. I am not embarassed. And I don't think Haye is a fraud or has anything to be ashamed about. He lost to a better man. That's it.

TitoFan, have upset you in the past? You seem to have a problem with me?

Here's the thing Fenster, I have always thought Haye got to where he is by talking. I didn't buy into the argument that Haye was actually a good boxer. His resume is weak. His best win arguably is over Valuev. Yet, he had the nerve to talk trash to the best heavyweight in the world. More than that, he had the nerve to do it in a tasteless manner. I always felt like he got noticed by the world's boxing community by twice talking up a fight with Wladimir only to later back out of it. For two to three years, we boxing fans listened to Haye berate Wladimir. Heck, even when he wasn't training for a fight against Wladimir, he was talking trash about Wladimir. In my book, if you are going to talk that much trash, you better be able to walk the walk because not only do you hurt your legacy by fighting negatively, you alienate casual boxing fans who might not tune in again for fear of being let down once more. I sincerely feel like he conned the boxing world.

I guess you are right about one thing if Haye had gone in there like Michael Jennings, and laid it all on the line, but came up short, I wouldn't be saying a damn thing. I'd be giving your man credit. You, for one, hate on Chris Arreola a plenty, but a fat Chris Arreola has 100X more guts than Haye does. And Chris Arreola didn't talk any trash going into his fight with Vitali. As overmatched as he was, he went out on his shield, honorably.

I guess you and I just have different characteristics we like to see in boxers. I like mettle and heart and you like hype and trash-talking. We can agree to disagree. There's nothing wrong in that.

Bilbo, did you like Mosley's performance against Pacquiao?

One more thing, Erics44 admitted that Haye had a horrible resume, but he said he liked him because he saw a lot of potential in him although at the time, I disagreed with him, I could see that argument. It made sense then. Well, now, we know there is a very limited upside with Haye. There just isn't much potential. He's just not very good. You can always fall back on his knock out over Enzo Mac...

[Fenster]

Rantcatrat - Haye is shit. He was always shit. He never had any heart. He's never beat anyone good. His lineal Cruiserweight title means nothing. His Amateur medals mean nothing. The fact he established himself as a top three heavyweight means nothing.

I am so, so sorry for ever supporting this man. No not man. He doesn't deserve to be called a man. Snake. Please forgive me?

(I don't "hate" on ANY fighter. Don't accuse me of shit like that. I may have a called Arreola a fat doorman a couple of times, it doesn't mean I don't like him)

[Kev]

@Rantacat

Yeah I didn't mind the Pacquaio Mosley fight either. I think people have such unrealistic expectations of Manny, they want him to fight the hardest fight, in whatever weight division they feel the challenge is at that moment and then whine and bitch if he fights anybody else. Manny is a true all time great and Sugar Shane is a sure future Hall of Famer who had done more than enough in his career imo to warrant fighting the two best guys in the sport in Manny and Floyd.

Was I disappointed Shane didn't have enough in the tank to push Manny more? Yeah for sure, I've always been a big fan of Mosley and loved him for his heart and it was sad to see him forced into a defensive shell in that fight. But Manny is a great fighter, and Shane is a little too long in the tooth now. I certainly wasn't spitting vitriol like many on here after with their whiny cries of 'Fuck Shane and Fuck Pacquaio, they didn't provide me with my level of entertainment!!!; etc etc.

Anyway back to this fight. I enjoyed it. Not a fan of David Haye at all but he proved he had a chin and was a legit challenge for Wladimir, giving him at least as tough a fight as any of his last 10 or so opponents.

Like Fenster, I'm not really emotionally involved in fights like some of you. If a fight is disappointing it doesn't really affect my life in anyway and I'm not bothered really. I thought the night was very entertaining over all. Watching a fighter of the stature of Lennox Lewis being kept waiting for 10 minutes whilst the camera crew respectfully stared up his nostrils was hilarious tv, then watching Big George fuck up his segment by rushing into Wlad's changing room too early, and then being late whilst shadowboxing as Wlad came out was priceless.

The first 4 rounds were fantastic I thought, looked like it was going to be a great fight. Then Wlad's power, size, strength and ability took over and David couldn't really compete.

I don't get angry about that though, that's just lame imo, Wlad was too good and won the fight, Haye showed he had a decent chin and lasted twice as long as I expected.

All in all a decent night's entertainment I thought and then I stayed up to watch the UFC, which was great was well. Good night of tv, but some of you have been whining all day.

Just develop other interests if you're night was ruined. Read a book or something, Go for a walk and smell the flowers. Plenty of stuff going on.

[Zelley]

This ain't a "wind-up" thread.

Haye was meant to be DESTROYED. Did that happen? NO. So all the "experts" have a thread to come and apologise to Haye.

Lets keep it real. No harm in being proven wrong. Fact.

Good to see someone not throwing stones and not peddling the anti-Haye rubbish.

Ask one question, who was doing the best at the end of the bout in the final round?

[mattboxingfan]

I'd like to see Wlad fight with a broken toe. Fact.

What's a fact?
That you'd LIKE to see Wlad fight with a broken toe?
That Wlad would or wouldn't fight with a broken toe?
That the toe in FACT would be broken?

Your use of the word "fact" here is somewhat unclear.
Fact.

The fact here is that i made it unclear because the fact is all of the above are fact. FACT.

[JazMerkin]

I don't see how he is defending the indefensible

Haye was a smaller guy moving up from a lower division and in the circumstances he fought a plucky fight and made a decent effort. No way did I expect him to go 12 rounds, when bigger, and I believed better fighters, like Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers both failed.

But he made a decent go of it. The first few rounds were very entertaining no matter what anybody says and it was only in the second half of the fight when the fight started slipping away from him that he reverted to the survival type tactics adopted by all of Wlad's opponents.

He lost because Wlad is a very very good world champion. He didn't disgrace himself in the ring and put up a decent effort in a very difficult challenge.

Sure his prefight claims were made to look silly, and his excuses afterwards were pretty laughable but there wasn't anything wrong with his efforts in the ring imo.

People who are complaining either wanted to see him get knocked out, or else just wanted him to throw caution to the wind and go out slugging and either knock out Wlad, or be knocked out, probably didn't care either way, just wanted some good action.

But it's different when you're the actual guy in the ring taking the shots.

For those who bought the card and feel ripped off, well don't be a mug next time.

Sign up to a stream site and watch it for $5, the best stream sites have high def streams now. I watched it at 720p on my 40in lcd in the lounge as part of $10 monthly stream fee for all boxing, ufc and other sports.

It was great.

I totally agree with this. I actually thought that it was fairly tense for the first 5 or 6 rounds, before Wlad completely took control until the 12th.

So many of the people who seem so disgusted are the same ones who said Haye had nothing to offer, wouldn't win a minute of any round & that it would only last as long as Wlad wanted it to.

I do believe he chose the wrong tactics for Wlad, where more concerted pressure in the early-middle rounds would have been better, especially when you facing one of the most technically astute boxers in the sport. But, it's not like he didn't have moments. What's interesting about the tactics is that Booth chose to use the same tactics that he did for the Groves-DeGale fight (tactics that meant Groves lost the fight on my card), but which were so heavily praised on that occasion. This leads me to believe that it is the personalities that people let their opinions be governed by too much. Yes, Haye set himself up for a fall, but it's always easy to criticize from the safe side of the ropes.

I really love the differing attitudes based on the boxers. Khan got pilloried for a shite PPV because his opponent didn't engage (but that's okay, because it was his game plan), while Haye (who did a fuck of a lot more than McCloskey) gets shit for not charging into Wlad's right hand windmilling. Meanwhile Hatton got abuse for a short fight, because he did exactly that. You just can't win with British fans

[erics44]

what an aweful attitude the wlad fans had before the fight and what an aweful attitude they have after