Am I the only one who actually thought it was a close fight?

[ninjaspy3]

10-2 in favor of Wladimir. Haye just fought too negative a fight to win rounds.

I see the reference to fighters fighting too negatively, often on this forum.
Dirrel, Haye, Mayweather(?)

Is there actually any official boxing rule or guide that states that a fighter should not move and/or dodge punches too much? And how much is "too much"?

Is it really not just a subjective personal opinion thing?
I personally find it odd that defensive movement in a fight would be so frowned upon.

[El Kabong]

The guide to scoring a fight is: Ring Generalship, Defense, and Effective Aggression with an emphasis on clean punches landed.

Guys like Willie Pep, Pernell Whittaker, Floyd Mayweather Jr. were guys that would make punches miss, but unlike Haye they would land in return, they would make a fighter pay the price for missing. Haye didn't do shit, look at his Compubox numbers!

[BIG H]

I think big George had it even going in to the last couple of rounds.

I've no idea what fight he was watching.

Yeh, I think it was after 9 or 10 he had it even

[ICB]

David Haye did nothing except fall to the floor, and run like a rabbit for the most of the fight. You have to actually throw and land punches to make a fight close, i had it a shutout.

[0james0]

Ring generalship, thats the key point. That's what won the fight.

[tysonesque]

I've just watched an interview with Haye and the guy is delusional. Even now he's still talking out of his arse and blaming it all on his little toe and saying Wlad won't want to fight him when he's 100%.

He even said that Wlad would avoid a rematch because he doesn't want to fight a dangerous fighter like Haye again. If he thinks running away like a pussy and throwing himself on the canvas every couple of minutes makes him dangerous he's an ever bigger twat than I thought.

I didn't think Haye took many big punches, but he must have because he's lost his already loose grip on reality altogether!

What a complete c**t!

[armin]

Thing is he's going to get a bunch of people to believe him again, he's going to call wlad scarred and shit and people will start believing that too...and wlad will finally give in again just to prove a point again. Haye will fight the same way, pocket another few mill and laugh all the way to the bank, con man and sore ass loser...I wonder what his excuse would be if he got kod, oh I wasn't actually koed, dude is so delusional but such a fuckin salesman he's always going to be able to dupe some "general" sports fans

[BoxingGorilla]

I thought it was close. I had Haye winning rounds 2,3 and 4. I crumpled up my score card after a while, but it was a close fight.

Although I thought Valuev beat Chagaev. This reminded me of that fight.

[El Kabong]

Well apparently Vitali still wants a piece...if I was Vitali I'd just leave Haye to wallow in humiliation rather than give him another chance.

All Haye and Booth know how to do is talk shit.

[Majesty]

I've just watched an interview with Haye and the guy is delusional. Even now he's still talking out of his arse and blaming it all on his little toe and saying Wlad won't want to fight him when he's 100%.

He even said that Wlad would avoid a rematch because he doesn't want to fight a dangerous fighter like Haye again. If he thinks running away like a pussy and throwing himself on the canvas every couple of minutes makes him dangerous he's an ever bigger twat than I thought.

I didn't think Haye took many big punches, but he must have because he's lost his already loose grip on reality altogether!

What a complete c**t!

if Sharmba Mitchell can get a rematch with Kostya Tszyu....

Anyway, I thought the fight was closer too. Not close like 7-5 though.

But I saw a lack of action from both sides, Haye had great defense for a heavyweight but he is what Emanuel Stewart said, he isn't a counter puncher, so he's either making you miss or trying to hit you but can't do both in fluidity with each other unless its off a feint. haye made Wladimir give him a lot of openings like constantly feint baiting his left hook each time, but didn't make him pay for it. Openings were there, Haye just took them briefly in the 3rd and the 4th and the 12th. Lots in between that were some close rounds. But I thought he for sure won the 3rd 4th and the 12th, so gave him 3, and with the closeness of the rounds could have been 4.

[armin]

I've just watched an interview with Haye and the guy is delusional. Even now he's still talking out of his arse and blaming it all on his little toe and saying Wlad won't want to fight him when he's 100%.

He even said that Wlad would avoid a rematch because he doesn't want to fight a dangerous fighter like Haye again. If he thinks running away like a pussy and throwing himself on the canvas every couple of minutes makes him dangerous he's an ever bigger twat than I thought.

I didn't think Haye took many big punches, but he must have because he's lost his already loose grip on reality altogether!

What a complete c**t!

if Sharmba Mitchell can get a rematch with Kostya Tszyu....

Anyway, I thought the fight was closer too. Not close like 7-5 though.

But I saw a lack of action from both sides, Haye had great defense for a heavyweight but he is what Emanuel Stewart said, he isn't a counter puncher, so he's either making you miss or trying to hit you but can't do both in fluidity with each other unless its off a feint. haye made Wladimir give him a lot of openings like constantly feint baiting his left hook each time, but didn't make him pay for it. Openings were there, Haye just took them briefly in the 3rd and the 4th and the 12th. Lots in between that were some close rounds. But I thought he for sure won the 3rd 4th and the 12th, so gave him 3, and with the closeness of the rounds could have been 4.

I'm probably in the minority but I thought the twelfth was one of wlads most dominant rounds he gets poped with two good punches, gives five good ones back.

[generalbulldog]

Ali-Frazier 3 is a close fight.
Pac-JMM 2 is a close fight.
Ali-Norton 2 and 3 are close fights.
De La Hoya-Quartey is a close fight.
Morales-Barerra 1 is a close fight.

Wlad-Haye is not a close fight. A close fight would mean that if Haye got the decision almost no one would complain. But in this case if Haye got a decision yesterday, it would be called an outright robbery for Wlad and would be up there with Whitaker-Ramirez 1.

Look quite a few of his fans wanted Haye to win and I understand that, but let's not be delusional.

[Majesty]

Ali-Frazier 3 is a close fight.
Pac-JMM 2 is a close fight.
Ali-Norton 2 and 3 are close fights.
De La Hoya-Quartey is a close fight.
Morales-Barerra 1 is a close fight.

Wlad-Haye is not a close fight. A close fight would mean that if Haye got the decision almost no one would complain. But in this case if Haye got a decision yesterday, it would be called an outright robbery for Wlad and would be up there with Whitaker-Ramirez 1.

Look quite a few of his fans wanted Haye to win and I understand that, but let's not be delusional.

I think it was a close fight, but not a fight that you could say he won.

A lot of fight fans call a close fight that could have went 7-5 either way, a robbery. When a robbery is an 8-4 or 7-3 fight that goes to the other guy.

So I'd say it was a close fight but there's no way you could give it to the other guy.

[Mark TKO]

yep I think we will see Haye v Vitali

Those brothers want him knocked out for sure. Unfortunately Vitali doesn't have a weak chin to give haye a chance so he would have to outbox him. Like thats going to happen....


Wlad by 5 maybe about right for Saturday. In Haye's defence I will say that I never expected him to look as fresh after 12 rounds.

What could he do different in a rematch.....

[Gandalf]

Haye certainly landed the HARDER shots and the power punches, its just there were so few of them.

Wlad simply pressed the fight and landed a good amount of pawing jabs as well as some stiff ones.

I was rooting for Haye and gave him 4 rounds. 5 would be a stretch.

But I think 4 rounds is fair.

10-2 is too much in my opinion.

Hahaha, fantastic sig, never seen one like that before!