Wow, that is a horrible decision

[Kev]

Actually watching the fight back tonight with the sound off and in slow motion I can see why the judges gave it to Williams.

I had him winning 7 rounds, they were close and Lara's rounds were more impressive but when you total them up they got the right man imo.

There were one or two rounds where I initially though Lara had won them, but in these I decided to watch them frame by frame both running forwards and backwards and when you run it in slow motion, backwards, frame by frame William's seems to be taking less shots than I though originally. I found in those rounds most of the punches that I had thought were landing flush when replayed backwards actually go away from his face.

So in all a very good call by the judges, in what was admiteddly a tought fight to score.

[OumaFan]

Actually watching the fight back tonight with the sound off and in slow motion I can see why the judges gave it to Williams.

I had him winning 7 rounds, they were close and Lara's rounds were more impressive but when you total them up they got the right man imo.

There were one or two rounds where I initially though Lara had won them, but in these I decided to watch them frame by frame both running forwards and backwards and when you run it in slow motion, backwards, frame by frame William's seems to be taking less shots than I though originally. I found in those rounds most of the punches that I had thought were landing flush when replayed backwards actually go away from his face.

So in all a very good call by the judges, in what was admiteddly a tought fight to score.

By any chance did you pay attention to which guy's hands looked faster in super slow mo?

[Kev]

Actually watching the fight back tonight with the sound off and in slow motion I can see why the judges gave it to Williams.

I had him winning 7 rounds, they were close and Lara's rounds were more impressive but when you total them up they got the right man imo.

There were one or two rounds where I initially though Lara had won them, but in these I decided to watch them frame by frame both running forwards and backwards and when you run it in slow motion, backwards, frame by frame William's seems to be taking less shots than I though originally. I found in those rounds most of the punches that I had thought were landing flush when replayed backwards actually go away from his face.

So in all a very good call by the judges, in what was admiteddly a tought fight to score.

By any chance did you pay attention to which guy's hands looked faster in super slow mo?

They both looked pretty slow to be honest.

[p4pking]

Is that like a Fantana style post Bilbo Or did you actually in fact go back and watch rounds in reverse and slow motion.... Lol. Because it's not as though the judges have the luxury of doing that and seemingly it would be the way to score if for Williams. Lara was so clearly the ring general and landing all the more telling punches to me, Williams head was being snapped back the entire fight and his footwork was so poor in comparison. I'll admit I only watched it live in real time though, but it was almost impossible to give Williams more than 2 rounds after the third(when I started watching).

[Kev]

Is that like a Fantana style post Bilbo Or did you actually in fact go back and watch rounds in reverse and slow motion.... Lol. Because it's not as though the judges have the luxury of doing that and seemingly it would be the way to score if for Williams. Lara was so clearly the ring general and landing all the more telling punches to me, Williams head was being snapped back the entire fight and his footwork was so poor in comparison. I'll admit I only watched it live in real time though, but it was almost impossible to give Williams more than 2 rounds after the third(when I started watching).

No, they don't. But they are trained professionals and like chess masters can see at a glance what ordinary players would take several minutes to calculate, if at all.

With the introduction of frame by frame reverse play it's possible to be completely objective and I often find such post fight analysis actually confirms the judges intuition during the live fight.

The trouble is most people watch the fight live in normal time, going forwards, and with sound, which I believe to be a mistake.

[p4pking]

I just can't buy that at all. Of course a fight is going to look different replayed back in slow motions from different angles etc, but at the end of the day you can only go by real time in a live fight, the same way the judges see it. And I doubt you would even claim to have watched a real majority of the fight in slow motion, played both ways. It would be like my going back and saying I think the Miami Heat actually should have won the NBA finals this year because Lebron and Wade look soooo much cooler in slow motion than that big ugly German Nowitzki does, all there points should have counted for like 15. Lara was consistently landing more big punches that looked great in real time, with a lot more frequency. Williams face was absolutely mangled as a result, and he clearly looked dejected in the corner between every round past halfway. It was a terrible decision imo.

[p4pking]

Not to mention you comparing the average boxing judge to a chess master for christs sake. It's a terrible analogy in terms of the level of expertise; and there is nothing subjective about who wins a game of chess.

[Kev]

I just can't buy that at all. Of course a fight is going to look different replayed back in slow motions from different angles etc, but at the end of the day you can only go by real time in a live fight, the same way the judges see it. And I doubt you would even claim to have watched a real majority of the fight in slow motion, played both ways. It would be like my going back and saying I think the Miami Heat actually should have won the NBA finals this year because Lebron and Wade look soooo much cooler in slow motion than that big ugly German Nowitzki does, all there points should have counted for like 15. Lara was consistently landing more big punches that looked great in real time, with a lot more frequency. Williams face was absolutely mangled as a result, and he clearly looked dejected in the corner between every round past halfway. It was a terrible decision imo.

I do agree that the fight should take place initially in real time, in fact it would be impossible with current technology for the fight to take place in anything other than in real time, going forwards.

But I do think that future technology should concentrate on slowing the fight down or maybe have two fights running concurrently, the real time one that the fans can enjoy, and a slow motion fight, ran backwards for trained professional analysis.

Of course, some more progress in physics and quantumn theory would be necessary to run two "parrallel" fights, in two time dimensions and running both backwards and forwards through time so it's a little way off yet admittedly.

Also, it might pose a problem with betting as if hackers were able to get access to the slow motion, backwards fight footage before the live fight (which would be technically impossible if Einstein's theories are correct) then they could know the result before the fight took place.

Maybe on reflection, with the complications that this would bring you are right and we should continue to run fights real time for now until certain safety mechanisms and failsafes have been implemented, although in the event of a dodgy decision, slow mo and reverse should be used to confirm the initial judges decision and uphold the integrity of the sport.

[CFH]

I just can't buy that at all. Of course a fight is going to look different replayed back in slow motions from different angles etc, but at the end of the day you can only go by real time in a live fight, the same way the judges see it. And I doubt you would even claim to have watched a real majority of the fight in slow motion, played both ways. It would be like my going back and saying I think the Miami Heat actually should have won the NBA finals this year because Lebron and Wade look soooo much cooler in slow motion than that big ugly German Nowitzki does, all there points should have counted for like 15. Lara was consistently landing more big punches that looked great in real time, with a lot more frequency. Williams face was absolutely mangled as a result, and he clearly looked dejected in the corner between every round past halfway. It was a terrible decision imo.

I do agree that the fight should take place initially in real time, in fact it would be impossible with current technology for the fight to take place in anything other than in real time, going forwards.

But I do think that future technology should concentrate on slowing the fight down or maybe have two fights running concurrently, the real time one that the fans can enjoy, and a slow motion fight, ran backwards for trained professional analysis.

Of course, some more progress in physics and quantumn theory would be necessary to run two "parrallel" fights, in two time dimensions and running both backwards and forwards through time so it's a little way off yet admittedly.

Also, it might pose a problem with betting as if hackers were able to get access to the slow motion, backwards fight footage before the live fight (which would be technically impossible if Einstein's theories are correct) then they could know the result before the fight took place.

Maybe on reflection, with the complications that this would bring you are right and we should continue to run fights real time for now until certain safety mechanisms and failsafes have been implemented, although in the event of a dodgy decision, slow mo and reverse should be used to confirm the initial judges decision and uphold the integrity of the sport.

I didn't know that you liked to get high.

[THE THIRD MAN]

I've been watching boxing since i was 8 years old, i scored this 118-110... i obviously haven't learned a fucking thing. Williams needs to reconsider his future, he is looking at another serious KO loss and should retire. The judges have done him no favours here.

[JazMerkin]

Is that like a Fantana style post Bilbo Or did you actually in fact go back and watch rounds in reverse and slow motion.... Lol. Because it's not as though the judges have the luxury of doing that and seemingly it would be the way to score if for Williams. Lara was so clearly the ring general and landing all the more telling punches to me, Williams head was being snapped back the entire fight and his footwork was so poor in comparison. I'll admit I only watched it live in real time though, but it was almost impossible to give Williams more than 2 rounds after the third(when I started watching).

No, they don't. But they are trained professionals and like chess masters can see at a glance what ordinary players would take several minutes to calculate, if at all.

With the introduction of frame by frame reverse play it's possible to be completely objective and I often find such post fight analysis actually confirms the judges intuition during the live fight.

The trouble is most people watch the fight live in normal time, going forwards, and with sound, which I believe to be a mistake.

Not just this, but the judges have also have to deal with ringropes obscuring their view & ringcard girls distracting them. The only way to properly score a fight is in hooters holding some string in front of your eyes, whilst playing the fight backwards frame by frame with no sound. I shall re-watch the fight as such & then see what happens.