Pacquiao 'agrees to Mayweather's demands'

[JazMerkin]

Maybe this is a counter-demand If you think about it PBF's claiming for a USADA drug testing is not warranted to begin with since there already exist a state athletic commission giving an existing test. Now it's the Olympic Organization that might be giving out these tests definitely an unbiased playing field is set out. If somebody complains again then I don't know what type of flat out cowardice that is. Just an opinion from a Pactard.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that USADA are the Olympic designated authority for the United States through WADA. I actually believe that it's Arum who is responsible for this fight not being seen, having read through the timeline of the first round of negotiations. I would put 80% of the blame on him & 10% each on Floyd & Manny. Stupid old bastard

USADA is an independent organization not directly affiliated with any governmental organization which is why congress gave them the authority for testing US competing athletes. The purpose of not using the USOC for administering the testing is an attempt to deter cover ups from happening.

The problem with them is that they do not report (i.e. are not held accountable) to any governmental agency. They also have to produce results or the appearance of results in order to be awarded federal grant money which in itself is a conflict of interest. (We are talking about money in millions that they supposedly can spend however they want) The only connection between WADA and USADA is the list of banned substances and standards by which they test.

In the US typically the systems are setup so there is checks and balances between agencies. No one agency is given all the power. USADA is responsible for checking the athlete and prosecuting the athlete. This is a very bad idea under the US system of government because it leaves the door open to corruption. In USADA case one obvious problem is having to justify their existence which means they will unjustly seek out high profile athletes to prosecute because it will give them more visibility. Case:Lance Armstrong.

You guys have to remember Arum is a Lawyer and understands the rules far and the impact of changing a criteria better than most. It would be better of reporters would question Arums motives rather than jump to conclusions about why he hold a particular position.

Only person that Mayweather's fighting that's got a problem with the drug testing is Arum's people. Mosley did it, Ortiz is gonna do it, what the heck is their problem? Next thing you know Arum is gonna ask for only a specific amount of blood to be drained.

is it because maybe Mosley and Ortiz needs Mayweather more than it is Pacquiao needing Mayweather? Not dickriding but FanJohnny does make sense.

I agree that Mosley & Ortiz need Floyd much more than Manny. But I don't agree with Fan Johnny's post, it's full of the kind of bizarre paranoia that in actuality makes no sense. Armstrong is being pursued because of the statements of his team-mates. I see no reason why they would actually try & get a positive test in this case. They've caught enough of a rash of track & field athletes & baseball players to not need to go looking. If WADA are willing to do it, then get them on board, but I fail to see the difference between them doing it & USADA doing it. The argument that USADA is corrupt is baseless. Also I believe WADA doing it means that they have to submit to being tested year-round, so whether they want to submit to that is something else.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

[fan johnny]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

What request?

[Hornfinger]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

What request?

"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.

Tells you all you need to know

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.

I have to be honest. I am now one of those who believe that it is Arum keeping this fight from happening.

[fan johnny]

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

What request?

"We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to unlimited random testing done by a responsible, neutral organization," Arum told Yahoo. "We don't believe USADA is a neutral organization.

Tells you all you need to know

I fail to see how you can truly dispute the neutrality of an anti-doping organisation

Can anyone help me out here...? What is there to dispute? The fact that they might forge the results The fact that they aren't acting upon the requests of Mr. Arum himself? I don't get it.

You can't dispute it, and that's why it's a completely bullshit arguement to keep pacroid away from testing and floyd mayweather.

I have to be honest. I am now one of those who believe that it is Arum keeping this fight from happening.

I know this sounds pretty anal but first off in their negotiations, the request is that of the Mayweather camp. NSAC is the governing authority for the anti-doping testing. I believe the news about Arums comments is his attempt to do future negotiations and public relations damage control due to Michael Konz comments.

I'm not sure what Arum's beef is with USADA but I've pointed out the obvious conflict of interest of using an organization that has everything to gain by using high profile athletes in order to get the attention it needs to show it is leading the fight on Anti-doping. Thus the organization gains more points toward getting their federal grant money renewed. There is also the possibility that that Arum objects to GBP's in its venture to gain control over 'boxing' has personal ties to Oscar. i.e. "travis tygart" is supposedly a golfing buddy of Oscar. If neither of these is Arum's problem is, I am with you.

If you bring in an outside agency to work with NSAC to do the additional requests by the Mayweather camp, there is no issue with political lobbing or personal ties that could promote corruption. Thus Arums term "neutral party".

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Meh... Bob shoulda took up Golf then

[Hornfinger]

The 'beef' with USADA is simple. They want to test pacquiao's blood.

There won't be ANY organisation deemed 'neutral' the fight ain't gonna happen.

[JazMerkin]

This also raises the interesting question of what happened in the 2nd negotiations & testing no longer being an issue. I mean aside from Koncz saying that they still wanted a 14 day cut off the day after Arum gave this interview, the fact was Arum claimed they'd agreed to all Mayweather's terms, which you would assume meant USADA overseeing the testing. His argument seems to be that because Pacquiao is Filipino, he can't get a fair shake from USADA. As he also clearly hasn't from any of the American refs, judges & commissions he's fought under.

There's too many vague statements, the thing about who they report to is odd. He says & I quote "USADA tests these two fighters and the Nevada State Athletic Commission is responsible for the fight. So, if one of the fighters is tested dirty, what can happen?"

Seriously?? What should happen if any athlete tests dirty in the build-up to the fight? I'd assume they get tested again & if it is again dirty, the fight is cancelled as surely taking PEDs invalidates the contract.

Also this vague statement about the Olympic Organisation, presumably means he wants WADA to be in charge of testing. Having read up on it, USADA uses the same rulebook, the World Anti-Doping Code that was devised by WADA. This is by & large implemented on a country by country basis, so over here we have the UKAD who test the GB team & footballers from the EPL.

But surely the most obvious thing that makes Arum's point moot is this from WADA's website.

"National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) are responsible for testing national athletes in- and out-of-competition, as well as athletes from other countries competing within that nation’s borders; adjudicating anti-doping rules violations; and anti-doping education."

Guess who that is?

"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognizes USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

I mean if it takes me 20 minutes to read up on this & for it to be clear, how hard is it for Arum?

This confirms for me what I've long suspected. It is not Manny Pacquiao holding up the fight (because I believe he's in no way afraid) & it is not Floyd Mayweather (ditto).

It's this stupid old cunt.