Paul Williams needs Emanuel Steward

[Hulk]

How many people think that Paul should ditch that terrible trainer he has and make Emanuel his trainer? He needs to use his reach and jab effectively and Emanuel would help him do that.

That terrible trainer of his is like a Father to Paul Williams and has helped get Paul all the way to the top of the sport picking up a world title or two on the way.

Williams isn't about to fire a guy like that nor should he for a hired gun snake oil salesman like Emmanuel Steward.
Paul would be well served to simply...KEEP HIS FUCKING RIGHT HAND UP !

Manny is absolutely a hired gun. So what? As for the "snake oil salesman" I'm not sure where you're getting that. Near as I can figuire Manny's one of the 2-3 most successful trainers of the last 25 or so years.

What did Steward do for Jermain Taylor, Kermit Cintron and Chad Dawson ? Absolutely NOTHING. Not a damn thing. He put their old trainers, you know the ones that got them to the big time, out of a job and leeched off Taylor and Cintron.

The man uses his HBO gig as a platform to prey on boxers and worm his way into their corner and big pay days from them.

Come to think of it Andy Lee hasn't exactly panned out as the next superstar either has he ?

Steward is a good trainer, but he's not God like many think he is. Also his commentating is offensive as he flip flops constantly between whoever is winning then at the end always has to say "I told you so".

[JazMerkin]

Steward could do nothing for Williams because quite frankly Paul just isn't bright enough to take on board what he's taught. The guy apparently had 20 fights as an am in which he had a sub. 500 record. Now obviously that's the ams, but what it tells you is that he found it very difficult going in against guys on the fly & winning. He honed himself as a pro, but what he really did was take advantage of a particularly individual & remarkable athleticism.

The guy has never had to really learnt to move his head & relied on a great chin & pulling back off the shot in a straight line. If getting bust up in sparring, beaten by crafty boxers & actually being flat KO'd doesn't make you change up, nothing will whoever the trainer is. You also have to think that if he really stayed behind that jab whether he would have had the success he has. The ability to throw as many punches as he does means that he will open up to a guy with the head movement & ability to create angles as the opponents who've beaten him have.

Imo, he wouldn't have a W over Winky Wright (faded but the best name on his CV for me) if he was a typical Kronk boxer as it was a stylistically perfect match-up for him as he is. He also may have struggled to shock Margarito in the way he did early. The style has got him alphabets at 2 weights & millions of dollars & probably a damn sight more fans.

[marbleheadmaui]

Steward could do nothing for Williams because quite frankly Paul just isn't bright enough to take on board what he's taught. The guy apparently had 20 fights as an am in which he had a sub. 500 record. Now obviously that's the ams, but what it tells you is that he found it very difficult going in against guys on the fly & winning. He honed himself as a pro, but what he really did was take advantage of a particularly individual & remarkable athleticism.

The guy has never had to really learnt to move his head & relied on a great chin & pulling back off the shot in a straight line. If getting bust up in sparring, beaten by crafty boxers & actually being flat KO'd doesn't make you change up, nothing will whoever the trainer is. You also have to think that if he really stayed behind that jab whether he would have had the success he has. The ability to throw as many punches as he does means that he will open up to a guy with the head movement & ability to create angles as the opponents who've beaten him have.

Imo, he wouldn't have a W over Winky Wright (faded but the best name on his CV for me) if he was a typical Kronk boxer as it was a stylistically perfect match-up for him as he is. He also may have struggled to shock Margarito in the way he did early. The style has got him alphabets at 2 weights & millions of dollars & probably a damn sight more fans.

We really do forget how much the ability and desire to learn are important boxing talents.

[Pugilistic]

Williams doesn't necessarily need Steward as his trainer because I just can't imagine Williams fighting the way Steward wants his fighters to fight, he just can't do it.

He's a pressure/swarmer fighter.

He's done it his whole life and its worked for him more times than not so i don't see how changing his style completely will work. What he does need is someone who will improve his style as it is.

For example, Williams throws pitty pat punches instead of sitting on his punches. If Williams actually had some pop on all the shots he throws, guys wouldn't try and counter him so often because what he is throwing hurts. When he throws those silly pitty pat punches, the fighter doesn't respect him so they let their shots go more often without any concern on what Williams brings back.

He also needs to work on his footwork. Far too often he throws and waits far too long on his opponents chest which allows his opponent to set up their shots and release them. If Paul threw his shots and moved out, guys would have a tougher time countering him. Just because he's a pressure fighter doesn't mean he has to constantly be on his man's chest, you can make a guy work by making him miss then going back to work on him.

Williams defense obviously needs improving, far too often he leaves his hands low when he throws.

If Williams works on those things with the right trainer, he will not only improve defensively but he will be a better offensive fighter as well which will make him much harder to beat.

I hope he can get better because Williams is a nice guy who is willing to fight anyone, he deserves props for that.

[Master]

Paul is what he is and cannot change fundamentally too much. He is fighting great competition and is doing well. If he was with another promotion would he get an easier ride? Maybe that is the issue, as opposed to his technique, he is an all action type of fighter like Corrales was and he cannot change that, he could do with some tweaking but nothing else.

[roberto duran legend]

TWEAKING you serious , the guy has more problems than a crack head hoe .

[marbleheadmaui]

How many people think that Paul should ditch that terrible trainer he has and make Emanuel his trainer? He needs to use his reach and jab effectively and Emanuel would help him do that.

That terrible trainer of his is like a Father to Paul Williams and has helped get Paul all the way to the top of the sport picking up a world title or two on the way.

Williams isn't about to fire a guy like that nor should he for a hired gun snake oil salesman like Emmanuel Steward.
Paul would be well served to simply...KEEP HIS FUCKING RIGHT HAND UP !

Manny is absolutely a hired gun. So what? As for the "snake oil salesman" I'm not sure where you're getting that. Near as I can figuire Manny's one of the 2-3 most successful trainers of the last 25 or so years.

What did Steward do for Jermain Taylor, Kermit Cintron and Chad Dawson ? Absolutely NOTHING. Not a damn thing. He put their old trainers, you know the ones that got them to the big time, out of a job and leeched off Taylor and Cintron.

The man uses his HBO gig as a platform to prey on boxers and worm his way into their corner and big pay days from them.

Come to think of it Andy Lee hasn't exactly panned out as the next superstar either has he ?

Steward is a good trainer, but he's not God like many think he is. Also his commentating is offensive as he flip flops constantly between whoever is winning then at the end always has to say "I told you so".

Hilmer Kenty, Tommy Hearns, Lennox Lewis, Wlad, Milt McCrory (and his brother Steve) and Jimmy Paul all did more than OK with Manny. Hell Ray Arcel was known as "Joe Loui's trainer" because he brought in so many guys who lost to Louis. Does that mean Arcel was only "good?"

By today's standards where the inept (like George Peterson and Jack Loew) are common even at the championship level, guys like Steward, Roach and Nacho provide a larger edge than probably at any time in boxing history.

Men like Williams and Pavlik have/are sacrificing/sacrificed their careers on the altar of loyalty. It's a terrible, terrible mistake.

[Hulk]

How many people think that Paul should ditch that terrible trainer he has and make Emanuel his trainer? He needs to use his reach and jab effectively and Emanuel would help him do that.

That terrible trainer of his is like a Father to Paul Williams and has helped get Paul all the way to the top of the sport picking up a world title or two on the way.

Williams isn't about to fire a guy like that nor should he for a hired gun snake oil salesman like Emmanuel Steward.
Paul would be well served to simply...KEEP HIS FUCKING RIGHT HAND UP !

Manny is absolutely a hired gun. So what? As for the "snake oil salesman" I'm not sure where you're getting that. Near as I can figuire Manny's one of the 2-3 most successful trainers of the last 25 or so years.

What did Steward do for Jermain Taylor, Kermit Cintron and Chad Dawson ? Absolutely NOTHING. Not a damn thing. He put their old trainers, you know the ones that got them to the big time, out of a job and leeched off Taylor and Cintron.

The man uses his HBO gig as a platform to prey on boxers and worm his way into their corner and big pay days from them.

Come to think of it Andy Lee hasn't exactly panned out as the next superstar either has he ?

Steward is a good trainer, but he's not God like many think he is. Also his commentating is offensive as he flip flops constantly between whoever is winning then at the end always has to say "I told you so".

Hilmer Kenty, Tommy Hearns, Lennox Lewis, Wlad, Milt McCrory (and his brother Steve) and Jimmy Paul all did more than OK with Manny. Hell Ray Arcel was known as "Joe Loui's trainer" because he brought in so many guys who lost to Louis. Does that mean Arcel was only "good?"

By today's standards where the inept (like George Peterson and Jack Loew) are common even at the championship level, guys like Steward, Roach and Nacho provide a larger edge than probably at any time in boxing history.

Men like Williams and Pavlik have/are sacrificing/sacrificed their careers on the altar of loyalty. It's a terrible, terrible mistake.

Oh we are going back 30 years now. Okay.

I'm talking recently besides the Klits, Steward has done shit for anybody besides bring Andy Lee to top 20 status.

And yeah Jack Loew is a fat moron. Hate that guy.

[marbleheadmaui]

How many people think that Paul should ditch that terrible trainer he has and make Emanuel his trainer? He needs to use his reach and jab effectively and Emanuel would help him do that.

That terrible trainer of his is like a Father to Paul Williams and has helped get Paul all the way to the top of the sport picking up a world title or two on the way.

Williams isn't about to fire a guy like that nor should he for a hired gun snake oil salesman like Emmanuel Steward.
Paul would be well served to simply...KEEP HIS FUCKING RIGHT HAND UP !

Manny is absolutely a hired gun. So what? As for the "snake oil salesman" I'm not sure where you're getting that. Near as I can figuire Manny's one of the 2-3 most successful trainers of the last 25 or so years.

What did Steward do for Jermain Taylor, Kermit Cintron and Chad Dawson ? Absolutely NOTHING. Not a damn thing. He put their old trainers, you know the ones that got them to the big time, out of a job and leeched off Taylor and Cintron.

The man uses his HBO gig as a platform to prey on boxers and worm his way into their corner and big pay days from them.

Come to think of it Andy Lee hasn't exactly panned out as the next superstar either has he ?

Steward is a good trainer, but he's not God like many think he is. Also his commentating is offensive as he flip flops constantly between whoever is winning then at the end always has to say "I told you so".

Hilmer Kenty, Tommy Hearns, Lennox Lewis, Wlad, Milt McCrory (and his brother Steve) and Jimmy Paul all did more than OK with Manny. Hell Ray Arcel was known as "Joe Loui's trainer" because he brought in so many guys who lost to Louis. Does that mean Arcel was only "good?"

By today's standards where the inept (like George Peterson and Jack Loew) are common even at the championship level, guys like Steward, Roach and Nacho provide a larger edge than probably at any time in boxing history.

Men like Williams and Pavlik have/are sacrificing/sacrificed their careers on the altar of loyalty. It's a terrible, terrible mistake.

Oh we are going back 30 years now. Okay.

I'm talking recently besides the Klits, Steward has done shit for anybody besides bring Andy Lee to top 20 status.

And yeah Jack Loew is a fat moron. Hate that guy.

What you think Manny's gotten WORSE as a trainer?

[El Kabong]

Paul Williams can't change now he's set in his ways.

Lots of truth about that being too loyal and so on, but sometimes a guy is at his best when he's with a trainer that knows him. Look at Jermain Taylor he swapped out his trainer for Manny and it didn't help him. Other guys are good no matter who's in their corner, look at De la Hoya or Holyfield.

[marbleheadmaui]

Paul Williams can't change now he's set in his ways.

Lots of truth about that being too loyal and so on, but sometimes a guy is at his best when he's with a trainer that knows him. Look at Jermain Taylor he swapped out his trainer for Manny and it didn't help him. Other guys are good no matter who's in their corner, look at De la Hoya or Holyfield.

Taylor is a good example of a guy who waited too long.

[Hulk]

Paul Williams can't change now he's set in his ways.

Lots of truth about that being too loyal and so on, but sometimes a guy is at his best when he's with a trainer that knows him. Look at Jermain Taylor he swapped out his trainer for Manny and it didn't help him. Other guys are good no matter who's in their corner, look at De la Hoya or Holyfield.

Taylor is a good example of a guy who waited too long.

Jermain Taylor seemed to regress under the coaching of Steward.

[El Kabong]

Cotto has been helped by Manny. Andy Lee is ok with Manny, 1 loss which he's been ready to avenge for a long time. I think Dawson can get help from Manny.

Honestly for Williams I think his best bet for a different trainer to help him out would have been someone like Ronnie Shields or Pat Burns, not "super" trainers but good guys that know their stuff and could help with fundamentals.

[Nameless]

Cotto has been helped by Manny. Andy Lee is ok with Manny, 1 loss which he's been ready to avenge for a long time. I think Dawson can get help from Manny.

Honestly for Williams I think his best bet for a different trainer to help him out would have been someone like Ronnie Shields or Pat Burns, not "super" trainers but good guys that know their stuff and could help with fundamentals.

Shields and Burns are very good trainers, if I would be a boxer and that any of them would accept to train me, I'd be thrilled. However, I think that people are writing off Williams too fast, I am sure that in the Kronk environment (so not only with Manny) he would learn faster, that he wants or not. Williams is already quite agressive in the ring, which is something quite important in the Kronk style, he would just have to learn to use the other attributes more effectively.

[Ant Live]

Cotto has been helped by Manny. Andy Lee is ok with Manny, 1 loss which he's been ready to avenge for a long time. I think Dawson can get help from Manny.

Honestly for Williams I think his best bet for a different trainer to help him out would have been someone like Ronnie Shields or Pat Burns, not "super" trainers but good guys that know their stuff and could help with fundamentals.

Shields and Burns are very good trainers, if I would be a boxer and that any of them would accept to train me, I'd be thrilled. However, I think that people are writing off Williams too fast, I am sure that in the Kronk environment (so not only with Manny) he would learn faster, that he wants or not. Williams is already quite agressive in the ring, which is something quite important in the Kronk style, he would just have to learn to use the other attributes more effectively.

Floyd Sr can teach him defense. That's all he need to learn. Especially since he like to fight in the pocket. A shoulder role will do the kids wonders.
Like someone else said, I don't think Paul is well done yet. He close but not yet. He could very well scout his next opponent, a righty, and not get hit as much and win a title
i.e. K9 and/or Saul
don't get me wrong, if he get caught by either, it won't be no need for a bedtime story.