Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

[puga_ni_nana]

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
Castillo 9 9 9 10 9 10 10 9 10 9 9 10 113
Mayweather 10 10 10 9 10 9 9 9 9 9 10 9 113

ROUND 1, Mayweather's speed was clear and controls the opening round.
ROUND 2, Mayweather still controls this round.
ROUND 3, A little close since first 2 minutes controlled by mayweather but with 30secs left castlillo have some good shots.
ROUND 4, Not much punch landed by both, but 1 solid punch by castillo.
ROUND 5, Castillo's aggresiveness is now evident. But mayweather's counter shot saves this round for him.
ROUND 6, Castillo for being the aggresor. Too much aggresiveness even punching while on hold.
ROUND 7, Castillo dominates this round.
ROUND 8, Castillo still the aggressive one. Landed punches to the body. Deducted 1 point by ref due to punch thrown at break.
ROUND 9, Very close to me, could gone either way. castillo's aggresiveness is a factor. mayweather's defense and dancing (or running) around is impressive.
ROUND 10, Nice counter shots by mayweather. Deducted 1 point by ref. for sticking elbow.
ROUND 11, Mayweather stands toe-to-toe with castillo and landed some good combination and counters. Castillo looks tired.
ROUND 12, Castillo finishes strong.

This fight is a DRAW, a very good fight though.

Heres 'cool click' #2 on me and Welcome to Casa De Saddo where your opinion os sure to be crushed by some drunk.... WackOff3205 or SalTheButcher....

Nice input on the fight and glad to see a new member jump right into the action.....

thanks! admittedly that i only knew little about the sport. but i enjoy watching some good fights whenever's a chance.

my first time i watched PBF-JLC1, i thought that Castillo should have won.
i watched it again today when saw this thread (nice idea!!!) and scored it round-by-round. some close rounds and could go to either fighter defending on what style you prefer (aggresive or counterpuncher).

but i find it a little fascinating when all the 3 judges scored it in favor of PBF by a somewhat 2-3 rounds swing. guess they prefer PBF's counter-punching and running around.

Yeah! but keep in mind JLC was the champ.
IMO since JLC was the champ. I didn't see anything from PBF that indicated he was the challenger that he was there to win a fight, he fought like he was the champ there and JLC fought like the challenger the hungrier of the 2.
He fought aggressive and he pusnished PBF to the body and to the head.....
PBFs body punches were taps in the form of jabs to the stomach, while JLC threw hooks and uppers to the rib cage and to the stomach more variations of body attack.....

i'm with you on who looks like who fought hungrier of the two. certainly JLC looks like the challenger with the way he fought, specifically from rounds 4 to final bell. but he starts this fight slowly. he gave away the first 3 rounds before starting to become aggresive. the opening rounds results in points deficit for JLC and cost him the decision (IMO, the DRAW) but should not be a wide 2-3 rounds swing in favor of PBF as the three judges saw it.

those were definitely hard punches to PBF's body. this helps JLC in slowing him down and pinning him on corners. still, irritating Floyd makes JLC miss most of his shots. at one point of the match Castillo is so frustrated with Floyd's antics that he holds him down to prevent him from running away and on another one he squeaks two hooks on Floyd's side while Floyd's gaying away and his back turned from Castillo.

[GAME]

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total

Castillo | 9 | 9 | 9 |10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 |114
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Mayweather| 10 | 10 | 10| 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10| 10 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 113


I thought Castillo won this pretty convincingly but on my scorecard theres only 1 point in it . Floyd got off to an early lead , the power and strength of Castillo started to take its toll in the middle rounds then they were quite evenly matched . I scored round 8 10-9 Mayweather cuz although the Mexican had a point deducted , I think he won the round . In the 10th Floyd was deducted a point and also lost the round so I scored it 10-8 Castillo . I reckon the Mexican slowed down in the last round but clung onto it by a point .

The argumenst were put to sleep in the return anyway cuz Floyd proved beyond dispute that he was the better boxer. In the 1st he was just getting the measure of Castillo but in the return his jab was better , his defence was superb and Castillo had no chance . He was one paced and much worse second time round .

[puga_ni_nana]

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total

Castillo | 9 | 9 | 9 |10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 |114
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Mayweather| 10 | 10 | 10| 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10| 10 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 113


I thought Castillo won this pretty convincingly but on my scorecard theres only 1 point in it . Floyd got off to an early lead , the power and strength of Castillo started to take its toll in the middle rounds then they were quite evenly matched . I scored round 8 10-9 Mayweather cuz although the Mexican had a point deducted , I think he won the round . In the 10th Floyd was deducted a point and also lost the round so I scored it 10-8 Castillo . I reckon the Mexican slowed down in the last round but clung onto it by a point .

i think you made Castillo won convincingly. you should score round 8 Castillo 9-9 (1pt. deduction). so you have it Castillo 114-112, close but convincingly.

[GAME]

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total

Castillo | 9 | 9 | 9 |10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 |114
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Mayweather| 10 | 10 | 10| 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10| 10 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 113


I thought Castillo won this pretty convincingly but on my scorecard theres only 1 point in it . Floyd got off to an early lead , the power and strength of Castillo started to take its toll in the middle rounds then they were quite evenly matched . I scored round 8 10-9 Mayweather cuz although the Mexican had a point deducted , I think he won the round . In the 10th Floyd was deducted a point and also lost the round so I scored it 10-8 Castillo . I reckon the Mexican slowed down in the last round but clung onto it by a point .

i think you made Castillo won convincingly. you should score round 8 Castillo 9-9 (1pt. deduction). so you have it Castillo 114-112, close but convincingly.

Good point but isnt it a 10 point must system ? 9-9 didnt look right . 10-9 seemed fair . I wouldnt agree with a 10-8 round after a point deduction unless the fouled boxer clearly won the round .

[puga_ni_nana]

Good point but isnt it a 10 point must system ? 9-9 didnt look right . 10-9 seemed fair . I wouldnt agree with a 10-8 round after a point deduction unless the fouled boxer clearly won the round .

what is the rule in deduction for a 10 point must system scoring? can somebody explain this? i taught that a 9-9 score is allowed when a boxer that is leading a round was deducted a point by the ref. CutMeMicK also used this score for round 8 of this fight.

[GAME]

Good point but isnt it a 10 point must system ? 9-9 didnt look right . 10-9 seemed fair . I wouldnt agree with a 10-8 round after a point deduction unless the fouled boxer clearly won the round .

what is the rule in deduction for a 10 point must system scoring? can somebody explain this? i taught that a 9-9 score is allowed when a boxer that is leading a round was deducted a point by the ref. CutMeMicK also used this score for round 8 of this fight.

I'm not sure of the official rule when this happens . Logic dictates that if you deduct a point off the boxer who wins the round then you simply add the point to the other guy which ensures you arent deducting two points yet still maintaining the 10 point must system rule. It all gets quite complicated and I suppose nobody is guna ask the judges for jusification on their scoring anyway.

Also very rarely do they ever score a round 10-10 ( an even round ) Judges always wana find a winner . They are under the belief that someone always wins a round no matter how close . If there are lots of close rounds you can understand how two judges see a fight so differently . I try not to score 10-10 rounds cuz I know the judges wont be doing that

[puga_ni_nana]

Good point but isnt it a 10 point must system ? 9-9 didnt look right . 10-9 seemed fair . I wouldnt agree with a 10-8 round after a point deduction unless the fouled boxer clearly won the round .

what is the rule in deduction for a 10 point must system scoring? can somebody explain this? i taught that a 9-9 score is allowed when a boxer that is leading a round was deducted a point by the ref. CutMeMicK also used this score for round 8 of this fight.

I'm not sure of the official rule when this happens . Logic dictates that if you deduct a point off the boxer who wins the round then you simply add the point to the other guy which ensures you arent deducting two points yet still maintaining the 10 point must system rule. It all gets quite complicated and I suppose nobody is guna ask the judges for jusification on their scoring anyway.

Also very rarely do they ever score a round 10-10 ( an even round ) Judges always wana find a winner . They are under the belief that someone always wins a round no matter how close . If there are lots of close rounds you can understand how two judges see a fight so differently . I try not to score 10-10 rounds cuz I know the judges wont be doing that

i found a site explaining about this...
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Boxing-15...es-scoring.htm

[babyboNe]

not being bias, but i really think castillo deserved that win more than pbf.

but it was a close fight, and there was a rematch and pbf clearly won the rematch.

and there should of been a third.

[SweetPea]

not being bias, but i really think castillo deserved that win more than pbf.

but it was a close fight, and there was a rematch and pbf clearly won the rematch.

and there should of been a third.

I think this is an important point. While this decision was controversial, Floyd did give him an immediate rematch. This is unlike some other fighters ::cough:e La Hoya ::cough:: who have won fights by questionable decisions and then not granted a rematch.

[ICB]

not being bias, but i really think castillo deserved that win more than pbf.

but it was a close fight, and there was a rematch and pbf clearly won the rematch.

and there should of been a third.

I think this is an important point. While this decision was controversial, Floyd did give him an immediate rematch. This is unlike some other fighters ::cough:e La Hoya ::cough:: who have won fights by questionable decisions and then not granted a rematch.

cc sweetpea loving this thread cant wait for the next fight

[babyboNe]

+76 sweetpea yea thats the floyd that i like, he rematch castillo. he too knew he should of lost that, thats why he rematch but he also knew he should beat him in the rematch. only if floyd would of stayed hungry, unlike the floyd now...

[jbirdy]

i dunno if anyone's mentioned this yet but boxrec's got the second castillo mayweather fight scored closer than the first.
strange as i can remember the second fight being pretty one sided.

[SweetPea]

+76 sweetpea yea thats the floyd that i like, he rematch castillo. he too knew he should of lost that, thats why he rematch but he also knew he should beat him in the rematch. only if floyd would of stayed hungry, unlike the floyd now...

Thanks for the CC, but how is Floyd not hungry?
He's moving up to his 5th weight class and challenging Oscar De La Hoya!!
If he weren't hungry, he would've stayed at 147 and fought an easy fight against a stiff like Margarito.

[babyboNe]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype. he should have the hunger to eradicate any one close to a challenge. fighting a mitchell just doesnt show hunger, fighting for another titles, what does it really mean if that champion just won that title from some one he already beat. i mean baldomir, both floyd and baldomir has already beaten judah and gatti. baldomir had a nice run. but we all know floyd would make easy work of baldomir.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

[Lords Gym]

Castillo -vs Mayweather
My Score Card

Round 01-Mayweather
Round 02-Mayweather
Round 03-Castillo
Round 04-Mayweather
Round 05-Castillo
Round 06-Castillo
Round 07-Castillo
Round 08-Mayweather
Round 09-Mayweather
Round 10-Castillo
Round 11-Castillo
Round 12-Castillo


Castillo 115
Mayweather 113