Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

[SweetPea]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.

What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.

[babyboNe]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.

What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.

hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shotdid judah judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....

thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!

[Violent Demise]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.

What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.

hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shotdid judah judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....

thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!

And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had fucking 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?

[SweetPea]

So are we ready for another one or are there still people in the process of watching Mayweather-Castillo?? I don't want to rush people who are still trying to score the fight.

[babyboNe]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.

What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.

hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shotdid judah judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....

thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!

And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?

wow, the point wasn't only intended for floyd to fight strickly undefeated fighters, reread the whole thing again, you need to atleast read twice remember to get it.

both baldomir and margarito were champs, why not take on tony how come he didn't deserve to fight floyd? did judah did mitchell floyd is in no position to say someone doesn't deserve a shot at him after fighting guys who really doesn't. because it makes him look bad, and the sport with it, he is our p4p king. come on for a unkown fighter like margarito, to make the sports p4p king stustutter like that was embarrassing. ahah

how did you get to pac yea pac hasn't been fighting undefeated fighters. he took care of the legends in his division first, can't say a thing about that. thats what he should do as a young fighter, take out the top dogs first, then the undefeated challengers like valero can be next down the road.

[babyboNe]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.

What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.

hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shotdid judah judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....

thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!

And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?

whats your point about chi having 3 losses,chi is a good fighter but yea his no oscar but oscar is past it and oscar has more then 3 losses...larios has 4, yea soooo look at judahs...and judah was beating floyd in the early rounds, yea velazques has about 10 uhh...so does baldomir...and pac stop valezques in 6, floyd ran away from baldomir...and baldo has no power or speed...pac k.oed mab and em...anybody in floyds record as good as mab and em? nope

[Violent Demise]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.

What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.

hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shotdid judah judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....

thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!

And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?

wow, the point wasn't only intended for floyd to fight strickly undefeated fighters, reread the whole thing again, you need to atleast read twice remember to get it.

both baldomir and margarito were champs, why not take on tony how come he didn't deserve to fight floyd? did judah did mitchell floyd is in no position to say someone doesn't deserve a shot at him after fighting guys who really doesn't. because it makes him look bad, and the sport with it, he is our p4p king. come on for a unkown fighter like margarito, to make the sports p4p king stustutter like that was embarrassing. ahah

how did you get to pac yea pac hasn't been fighting undefeated fighters. he took care of the legends in his division first, can't say a thing about that. thats what he should do as a young fighter, take out the top dogs first, then the undefeated challengers like valero can be next down the road.

I guess I paid more attention to the part in bold.

[babyboNe]

when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.

What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.

now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.

What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.

the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....

Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.

hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shotdid judah judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....

thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!

And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?

wow, the point wasn't only intended for floyd to fight strickly undefeated fighters, reread the whole thing again, you need to atleast read twice remember to get it.

both baldomir and margarito were champs, why not take on tony how come he didn't deserve to fight floyd? did judah did mitchell floyd is in no position to say someone doesn't deserve a shot at him after fighting guys who really doesn't. because it makes him look bad, and the sport with it, he is our p4p king. come on for a unkown fighter like margarito, to make the sports p4p king stustutter like that was embarrassing. ahah

how did you get to pac yea pac hasn't been fighting undefeated fighters. he took care of the legends in his division first, can't say a thing about that. thats what he should do as a young fighter, take out the top dogs first, then the undefeated challengers like valero can be next down the road.

I guess I paid more attention to the part in bold.

yea exactly, you paid to much attention to that, ignored the rest...and misunderstood, how? because i refered to cotto and hatton, they would look good on pbfs record, look better then beating another chump he'll easily whipe out. pbf has a high statues, he can demand fights, all i'm saying is, if greatness is his true desire then he should make a fool of any one coming close to your hype as the best in a division. point is, pbf is p4p king, but there are fighters in his division he should be whooping and shouldnt be staying undefeated so floyd will look better, his p4p king but not much of grip on his division. cotto and hatton are making noise there and floyd is just ignoring it. sucks to have three undefeated in one good division. it fruastrates a fan like me.

[SweetPea]

point is, pbf is p4p king, but there are fighters in his division he should be whooping and shouldnt be staying undefeated so floyd will look better, his p4p king but not much of grip on his division. cotto and hatton are making noise there and floyd is just ignoring it. sucks to have three undefeated in one good division. it fruastrates a fan like me.

But you keep avoiding the most important point, which is that Cotto and Hatton don't want to fight him!!!! At least not now, in Cotto's case.
Hatton isn't making noise in Floyd's division, he fought one mediocre fight there and then ran back to 140. He's not making any noise at 147.
Cotto is certainly making noise at 147, but he's still working his way up to more difficult opponents, and since Cotto is younger, it's to his advantage to wait a while to fight Floyd, the older Floyd is the more beatable he will be.
So what do you want Floyd to do? Hold a gun to Hatton and Cotto's head and force them to fight him??

[babyboNe]

point is, pbf is p4p king, but there are fighters in his division he should be whooping and shouldnt be staying undefeated so floyd will look better, his p4p king but not much of grip on his division. cotto and hatton are making noise there and floyd is just ignoring it. sucks to have three undefeated in one good division. it fruastrates a fan like me.

But you keep avoiding the most important point, which is that Cotto and Hatton don't want to fight him!!!! At least not now, in Cotto's case.
Hatton isn't making noise in Floyd's division, he fought one mediocre fight there and then ran back to 140. He's not making any noise at 147.
Cotto is certainly making noise at 147, but he's still working his way up to more difficult opponents, and since Cotto is younger, it's to his advantage to wait a while to fight Floyd, the older Floyd is the more beatable he will be.
So what do you want Floyd to do? Hold a gun to Hatton and Cotto's head and force them to fight him??

ahah no, its simple all floyd has to do is show that his hungry for that fight, so his not to be blame or critize about it. instead of saying his gonna retire after he fights oscar, was that too hard to understand

[yoitsdan]

It was at least a draw, with the knockdown Castillo wins.

[ICB]

It was at least a draw, with the knockdown Castillo wins.

sorry mate what knockdown ??

[jbirdy]

the knockdown was counted as a knockdown on the score cards but i cant remember the ref actually counting mayweather (but surely he must have done for the judges to score it that way) someone will have to put a link on. off the top of my head i can remember it being more of a push though. i'll have to see it again i reckon

[SweetPea]

February 13, 1999. Oscar De La Hoya (29-0, 24 KO) vs. Ike Quartey (34-0-1, 29 KO) for De La Hoya's WBC Welterweight Title.
The judges awarded DLH a split decision victory 116-112, 116-113, 114-115 (Quartey).
Normally I don't want to do a bunch of fights with the same fighters, and I know we just did DLH-Whitaker, but I couldn't pass this one up. Besides being a controversial decision, this is just a GREAT fight. I actually think this is the most exciting of all of DLH's fights, I like it better than the first Mosley fight. Two champions in their prime going at it for 12 rounds.

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total

Quartey | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 8 | 114
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
De La Hoya| 10 | 9 | 10| 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 113

I thought De La Hoya won 3 out of the first 4, when he was busier than Quartey.
In the 6th, both fighters were knocked down on clean punches, I scored the round for Quartey because I thought he the knockdowns cancelled each other out, and that Quartey controlled the majority of the round. I scored it 10-9 instead of 9-8 because that was how Lederman scored it, so I assume it falls under the 10 point must rules.
Quartey dominated the middle of the fight, buckling DLH's knees several times. I thought DLH showed tons of heart in the 12th for coming out strong when he knew he needed a huge round, and I thought Quartey showed tremendous heart for staying up and continuing to throw punches even as DLH was nailing him with big punches on the ropes.
Halpern could have stopped the fight and it would have been OK, but I thought he was right to let it go on, because Quartey was still throwing back.
Usually a close fight has lots of clsoe rounds that could go either way, but I thought Quartey clearly won 7 rounds in this fight, and that DLH clearly won his 5 rounds. I think it should have been an easy fight to score. It's a complete joke that one judge had it 116-112 for Oscar, that card isn't even close.

[ICB]

going to have to download this fight i dont have it