Should Bush and Blair be tried for war crimes?

[Gandalf]

I lost all respect for Blair about going to war. He back tracked and said he would have done it anyway. He is lying to cover his mistake ridden ass. No way will he admit that all those soldiers and innocent civilians died because he could not say no to Bush.

I think Blair has revealed himself completely by those comments. There is no doubt that this is a man who tried to decieve the public and then ignore popular opinion and carry on regardless. His comments were surprising because he was so open in admitting how he was going to do what he did no matter what the reason might need to be.

Blair should be tried and sentenced. Bush should simply have a bullet to the head as that is what they prefer over there. These men are appalling examples of the human race.

[Nameless]

Miles #1 "all this" (re: the economy or the wars) wasn't started just by Bush both had been coming for a long time and Bush isn't the ONLY guy to blame and the Republican party isn't the only party to blame either but yes they did help cause this and because of that nearly all of them were voted out of office. So just how poorly do the democrats have to govern to reach the point where hardcore "big C" Conservatives are the favorites heading into 2010? #2 I find that "reactionary" comment amusing considering you're one of the people suggesting Bush should be tried for war crimes.

The people are always a step ahead of the government and this first year of Obama + the liberal House & Senate have been awful. The people were sold Obama as some kind of wiz kid saviour but he's inexperienced, he's egotistical, and he is seemingly uninterested in anything other than Healthcare and that isn't America's most pressing need at the moment. Now 10% unemployment would be a DREAM scenario for a place like France but in the US it's unacceptable. If you add the unemployment together with the foreclosure rates (Obama is now the sole leader in foreclosures in a year) and the money the Democrats put into TARP and used to bailout various companies you can see why Conservatives are coming back with a vengence...just for a frame of reference it took Republicans over a decade (1994-2006) to wear out their welcome as the majority party.

Actually, one of the very most suited economic crack available to me is Ron Paul. The guy's very clever and has seen a lot, he would be a fine pick for the Republican Party for the next elections. As for Obama, he was the best pick among the 3-4 last candidates (Romney, Huckaby, Clinton and McCain), the problem is peoples saw him as a savior when he was just the less shitty option available. He made a few good decisions when he started, some of which the american peoples should be proud of but at the moment, he's juggling with strange knifes and I have the impression he's sinking a bit. The problem is not that much the idea of the healthcare reform but the way he seems to want it to be done, I will have to read a bit more about it to have a more enlightened point of view but from now, I lean toward the good idea wrongfully applied.

[El Kabong]

The problem with Obama is that he never ran anything in the private sector or in government to show he was prepared to lead the country.

Romney had success in the private sector and in government (bar the healthcare he passed in Mass.)

Huckabee was Gov. of Arkansas (same as Bill Clinton)

McCain has military experience which right now would be nice to have.

And Hillary, if she ran like her husband did being lead by the polls then yes she would be better than Obama because she'd be closer to center.

Obama was a single term junior Senator and before that he was a "Community Organizer"...he will soon be known as the Affirmative Action President, and he has the gall to call out Clarence Thomas as "lacking experience"....Obama is God awful he's 100% focused on Healthcare and everything else doesn't matter to him, not the economy (he probably welcomes it doing so poorly to get more people on board with the Healthcare bill) and the wars are just a nusance to him. Obama is in waaaaaay over his head and I swear to God if Palin is running against him in 2012 I may just move to the fucking moon.

[Nameless]

The problem with Obama is that he never ran anything in the private sector or in government to show he was prepared to lead the country.

Romney had success in the private sector and in government (bar the healthcare he passed in Mass.)

Huckabee was Gov. of Arkansas (same as Bill Clinton)

McCain has military experience which right now would be nice to have.

And Hillary, if she ran like her husband did being lead by the polls then yes she would be better than Obama because she'd be closer to center.

Obama was a single term junior Senator and before that he was a "Community Organizer"...he will soon be known as the Affirmative Action President, and he has the gall to call out Clarence Thomas as "lacking experience"....Obama is God awful he's 100% focused on Healthcare and everything else doesn't matter to him, not the economy (he probably welcomes it doing so poorly to get more people on board with the Healthcare bill) and the wars are just a nusance to him. Obama is in waaaaaay over his head and I swear to God if Palin is running against him in 2012 I may just move to the fucking moon.

Instead of going to the Moon, I invite you to French part of Canada. We have a socialist healthcare system that works quite good and we're far from being communist. Plus, you could learn french easily and for free and I can show you how Montreal is great

Thus said, Romney is a bit of an egoistical maniac, McCain is disconnected from a large chunk or Reality, Clinton is the corporate bitch and Huckaby is a devoted überconservativ Mormon and religious creep. Sadly Obama was better than them all (I think personally) and he did a couple of good moves, it's just his latest healthcare which is too obsessive otherwise he might do not too bad at all. For the Reps, I persist and sign: Ron Paul should be the man.

[El Kabong]

Instead of going to the Moon, I invite you to French part of Canada. We have a socialist healthcare system that works quite good and we're far from being communist. Plus, you could learn french easily and for free and I can show you how Montreal is great

Thus said, Romney is a bit of an egoistical maniac, McCain is disconnected from a large chunk or Reality, Clinton is the corporate bitch and Huckaby is a devoted überconservativ Mormon and religious creep. Sadly Obama was better than them all (I think personally) and he did a couple of good moves, it's just his latest healthcare which is too obsessive otherwise he might do not too bad at all. For the Reps, I persist and sign: Ron Paul should be the man.

Ron Paul is ok....he'd win over more voters if his supporters weren't all The Simpson's Comicbook Guy look-a-likes.

Romney is just a bit "stiff", he lacks the timing to use the 1 liners to win over the crowd at debates. McCain missed his shot 2000 was his year. Huckabee isn't a mormon, that's Romney...he is however a Baptist but he had a decent stance on things like evolution, at least he was able to communicate better than all the other Republicans. Obama was not the best he was merely the one nobody knew anything about but everyone had the most hope for....he's a HORRIBLE President

If I'm moving to a French speaking country, I'm going to France proper....Sarkozy is a solid leader

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I lost all respect for Blair about going to war. He back tracked and said he would have done it anyway. He is lying to cover his mistake ridden ass. No way will he admit that all those soldiers and innocent civilians died because he could not say no to Bush.

I think Blair has revealed himself completely by those comments. There is no doubt that this is a man who tried to decieve the public and then ignore popular opinion and carry on regardless. His comments were surprising because he was so open in admitting how he was going to do what he did no matter what the reason might need to be.

Blair should be tried and sentenced. Bush should simply have a bullet to the head as that is what they prefer over there. These men are appalling examples of the human race.

rep again when I can.

BLiar - those t-shirts seem prophetic now dont they?

[Nameless]

Instead of going to the Moon, I invite you to French part of Canada. We have a socialist healthcare system that works quite good and we're far from being communist. Plus, you could learn french easily and for free and I can show you how Montreal is great

Thus said, Romney is a bit of an egoistical maniac, McCain is disconnected from a large chunk or Reality, Clinton is the corporate bitch and Huckaby is a devoted überconservativ Mormon and religious creep. Sadly Obama was better than them all (I think personally) and he did a couple of good moves, it's just his latest healthcare which is too obsessive otherwise he might do not too bad at all. For the Reps, I persist and sign: Ron Paul should be the man.

Ron Paul is ok....he'd win over more voters if his supporters weren't all The Simpson's Comicbook Guy look-a-likes.

Romney is just a bit "stiff", he lacks the timing to use the 1 liners to win over the crowd at debates. McCain missed his shot 2000 was his year. Huckabee isn't a mormon, that's Romney...he is however a Baptist but he had a decent stance on things like evolution, at least he was able to communicate better than all the other Republicans. Obama was not the best he was merely the one nobody knew anything about but everyone had the most hope for....he's a HORRIBLE President

If I'm moving to a French speaking country, I'm going to France proper....Sarkozy is a solid leader

You're right for Romney and Huckaby, my mistake, I did reverse the two. As for Sarkozy, are you serious or it was sarcasm? I am all tired and at this moment I lack concentration to find if you were serious or not.
As for Obama, I seriously feel he's better than the 4 others though very disappointing lately. Ron Paul on economy is a very serious heavyweight and I am not sure that the Democrats have a better candidate on that stand at the moment personally. Beside, Quebec is good as not too far from the US (not at all actually) and we speak english here too. Though I could understand that solely for wine, you might want a trip in France. Talking of, I bought some serious killer bottles lately some Red and some White, including some excellent Merseault

[El Kabong]

rep again when I can.

BLiar - those t-shirts seem prophetic now dont they?

And yet you are all 100% in line with Blair regarding Global Warming...WTF people?

Nameless, you think Obama is bad now, just wait til next year, this was his 1st year of really having to answer questions or act on anything, in the past he used to hide behind a "present" vote instead of "yea" or "nay". Huckabee and Romney have experience...Ron Paul is good "in theory". I kind of liked Ross Perot but I think the idea of America being isolationist is just idiotic, with our economy and foreign policy we affect other countries even if we try to avoid acting on anything. Being #1 World Superpower we get drug into things anyway. And yes I like Sarkozy, he's a good guy a good leader.

The wines I have had lately are: Le Colombier Vacquyeras, Lo Zoccoliao Baccanera, Sobon Cab. Sav., Amici Cab. Sav., and I've been trying to get into whites (please PM me and suggest a few)

[Gandalf]

rep again when I can.

BLiar - those t-shirts seem prophetic now dont they?

And yet you are all 100% in line with Blair regarding Global Warming...WTF people?

Nameless, you think Obama is bad now, just wait til next year, this was his 1st year of really having to answer questions or act on anything, in the past he used to hide behind a "present" vote instead of "yea" or "nay". Huckabee and Romney have experience...Ron Paul is good "in theory". I kind of liked Ross Perot but I think the idea of America being isolationist is just idiotic, with our economy and foreign policy we affect other countries even if we try to avoid acting on anything. Being #1 World Superpower we get drug into things anyway. And yes I like Sarkozy, he's a good guy a good leader.

The wines I have had lately are: Le Colombier Vacquyeras, Lo Zoccoliao Baccanera, Sobon Cab. Sav., Amici Cab. Sav., and I've been trying to get into whites (please PM me and suggest a few)

Totally different issues, lyle. Global warming is supported by about 98% of the scientific research into the issue. You republicans are once again showing your base primitive sides. Creationism in schools anyone? Get with the programme, you philistines...

[Kirkland Laing]

The problem with Obama is that he never ran anything in the private sector or in government to show he was prepared to lead the country.

Romney had success in the private sector and in government (bar the healthcare he passed in Mass.)

Huckabee was Gov. of Arkansas (same as Bill Clinton)

McCain has military experience which right now would be nice to have.

And Hillary, if she ran like her husband did being lead by the polls then yes she would be better than Obama because she'd be closer to center.

Obama was a single term junior Senator and before that he was a "Community Organizer"...he will soon be known as the Affirmative Action President, and he has the gall to call out Clarence Thomas as "lacking experience"....Obama is God awful he's 100% focused on Healthcare and everything else doesn't matter to him, not the economy (he probably welcomes it doing so poorly to get more people on board with the Healthcare bill) and the wars are just a nusance to him. Obama is in waaaaaay over his head and I swear to God if Palin is running against him in 2012 I may just move to the fucking moon.

Obama doesn't need experience running anything because he doesn't have anything to run. Foreign policy, energy policy and "defence" are run by the war and oil and gas industries, the financial system is run by the banks, healthcare by the healthcare corporations....

Out of the choices available to Americans him and Hillary were the least worst options, but there's basically zero difference between Obama and McCain. I can wake up every lunchtime and not have to worry that President McCain has invaded Iran, or re-invaded Vietnam, but other than possibly adding more dumb wars to the existing ones things wouldn't be any different if McCain had won.

[El Kabong]

Totally different issues, lyle. Global warming is supported by about 98% of the scientific research into the issue. You republicans are once again showing your base primitive sides. Creationism in schools anyone? Get with the programme, you philistines...

#1 Blair said "even if the science behind man made global warming is wrong we still have to act"....the mark of a true liberal genius at work

#2 I don't want creationism or any other theology in schools, I'm not a fan of the turbo-Christians, I'm very reasonable and rational when it comes to religion. The media ALWAYS asks the Republicans about it and Huckabee, when given the time to respond properly and not just doing a show of hands as Wolf Blitzer asked did a great job explaining his view in a manner that even the vile liberals Bill Maher has in his audiance were able to comprehend it and accept his view.

[Gandalf]

Totally different issues, lyle. Global warming is supported by about 98% of the scientific research into the issue. You republicans are once again showing your base primitive sides. Creationism in schools anyone? Get with the programme, you philistines...

#1 Blair said "even if the science behind man made global warming is wrong we still have to act"....the mark of a true liberal genius at work

#2 I don't want creationism or any other theology in schools, I'm not a fan of the turbo-Christians, I'm very reasonable and rational when it comes to religion. The media ALWAYS asks the Republicans about it and Huckabee, when given the time to respond properly and not just doing a show of hands as Wolf Blitzer asked did a great job explaining his view in a manner that even the vile liberals Bill Maher has in his audiance were able to comprehend it and accept his view.

Tony Blair is not a man to be trusted. I would always go beyond him and ask to see the evidence first. I never fell for the Iraq war and am certainly not 'green' because of anything Tony Blair has ever said. He is a horrible little man. I wish he would stay still in a garden somewhere and pretend to be a gnome for the rest of his days.

On point number 2 I was ranting a little, but was voicing my concern at the alarming number of unusual trains of thought that I see emerging from the US. Creationism, the guns obsession, the aversion to universal health care coverage, aversion to wanting clean air etc etc. Not knowing your position on creationism I guess I shouldn't have just lumped you in with that bandwagon.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Totally different issues, lyle. Global warming is supported by about 98% of the scientific research into the issue. You republicans are once again showing your base primitive sides. Creationism in schools anyone? Get with the programme, you philistines...

#1 Blair said "even if the science behind man made global warming is wrong we still have to act"....the mark of a true liberal genius at work

#2 I don't want creationism or any other theology in schools, I'm not a fan of the turbo-Christians, I'm very reasonable and rational when it comes to religion. The media ALWAYS asks the Republicans about it and Huckabee, when given the time to respond properly and not just doing a show of hands as Wolf Blitzer asked did a great job explaining his view in a manner that even the vile liberals Bill Maher has in his audiance were able to comprehend it and accept his view.

Tony Blair is not a man to be trusted. I would always go beyond him and ask to see the evidence first. I never fell for the Iraq war and am certainly not 'green' because of anything Tony Blair has ever said. He is a horrible little man. I wish he would stay still in a garden somewhere and pretend to be a gnome for the rest of his days.

On point number 2 I was ranting a little, but was voicing my concern at the alarming number of unusual trains of thought that I see emerging from the US. Creationism, the guns obsession, the aversion to universal health care coverage, aversion to wanting clean air etc etc. Not knowing your position on creationism I guess I shouldn't have just lumped you in with that bandwagon.

yeah clean air. Who the hell wants that shit in your lungs. Not me. The more toxic fumes the better I say. I'm going to start smoking crack again.

[Gandalf]

#1 Blair said "even if the science behind man made global warming is wrong we still have to act"....the mark of a true liberal genius at work

#2 I don't want creationism or any other theology in schools, I'm not a fan of the turbo-Christians, I'm very reasonable and rational when it comes to religion. The media ALWAYS asks the Republicans about it and Huckabee, when given the time to respond properly and not just doing a show of hands as Wolf Blitzer asked did a great job explaining his view in a manner that even the vile liberals Bill Maher has in his audiance were able to comprehend it and accept his view.

Tony Blair is not a man to be trusted. I would always go beyond him and ask to see the evidence first. I never fell for the Iraq war and am certainly not 'green' because of anything Tony Blair has ever said. He is a horrible little man. I wish he would stay still in a garden somewhere and pretend to be a gnome for the rest of his days.

On point number 2 I was ranting a little, but was voicing my concern at the alarming number of unusual trains of thought that I see emerging from the US. Creationism, the guns obsession, the aversion to universal health care coverage, aversion to wanting clean air etc etc. Not knowing your position on creationism I guess I shouldn't have just lumped you in with that bandwagon.

yeah clean air. Who the hell wants that shit in your lungs. Not me. The more toxic fumes the better I say. I'm going to start smoking crack again.

There is nothing finer than going outside and seeing the sky full of smog and inhaling so deeply that my lungs are full of the stuff. It's the mark of high civilisation, I tell you.

[El Kabong]

yeah clean air. Who the hell wants that shit in your lungs. Not me. The more toxic fumes the better I say. I'm going to start smoking crack again.

....ummm ok

Maybe that's why you have all these wild ass political views? Miles I figure you got ahold of some bad beef and what's your excuse Kirkland?