Barrera v Khan - WEIGH IN VID - Plus Undercard - STICKY!

[Majesty]

There's a big difference. Casamayor beat a younger, stronger Katsidis. Marquez beat a younger, stronger Diaz. Con beat an older, weaker Barrera who was fighting handicapped. Surely even you of all people can see the difference. Right?

Wouldnt Marquez be considered older, out of his weight class, weaker, handicapped. When he fought the younger, stronger, Diaz? Did he win?

Ah yeah that's kind of what i'm trying to get at. A younger fighter beating up and older, weaker fighter does mean as much as an older fighter beating up a younger, stronger fighter

So you're basically saying if a younger fighter and an older fighter fight that if the older guy wins then you give him full credit, yet if the younger guy wins he should get no credit whatsoever?

[BoomBoom]

It was strange that in round 4 when he was talking to the doc and ref it wasnt stopped then. MAB said himself that he thought it should have been stopped sooner. Id like to hear what was said between them. And the cut was spewing blood the same that round as the next.

I noticed that too. I was thinking Barrera was just showing his pride though and actually expected him to stop before the end of the round and yet he came out for the 5th. He had no need to do that. Its fishy to me, I would like to know what happened there too.

I was thinking there could have been a communication problem. Marcos english is ok but not great.

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Wouldnt Marquez be considered older, out of his weight class, weaker, handicapped. When he fought the younger, stronger, Diaz? Did he win?

Ah yeah that's kind of what i'm trying to get at. A younger fighter beating up and older, weaker fighter does mean as much as an older fighter beating up a younger, stronger fighter

So you're basically saying if a younger fighter and an older fighter fight that if the older guy wins then you give him full credit, yet if the younger guy wins he should get no credit whatsoever?

Khan did beat Barrera!
Khan didnt win!
The fight was stopped on a accidental headbutt.

[Gandalf]

He accomplished keeping Barerra from getting off. From not letting him get set. Not letting him land anything truly flush, and keeping his defense up at the times Barerra would try to get off. Keeping him at a distance and fighting his fight while never letting Barerra into it.

Khan accomplished a lot.

He opened a bad cut with his head and won a few rounds with flashy hands and then the fight was stopped on a technicality. I don't think he accomplished a lot at all. He showed a lot of improvements but he didnt beat Barrera fair and square.

Mick is right, the corner team was stupid and Marco obviously has his pride. It should have been stopped earlier. Khan did NOT deserve this win. It's sad to see a fight that promised so much end like that.

What else could Barerra have done differently to win the fight then? If the cut was such a huge factor in his losing tell me, what would or could barerra have done differently to win that fight? because obviously nothing he was doing up to that point was working.

Well Khan always starts quickly. Barrera was covering up well and most of those combos were just rattling off of the gloves. Without the cut I imagine Barrera would have been a little more agressive early on, but I always expected Khan to start faster cut or no cut. What I expected to see was Barrera to gradually open up more and more and to unnerve Khan by still being there and constantly checking his chin. Eventually that pressure would have led to an exciting final few rounds where Barrera would hopefully have come through with his heart.

Getting cut so early and having to fish blood off his face every 30 seconds screwed up a lot of things. And it was caused by a headbut after all.

[Gandalf]

It was strange that in round 4 when he was talking to the doc and ref it wasnt stopped then. MAB said himself that he thought it should have been stopped sooner. Id like to hear what was said between them. And the cut was spewing blood the same that round as the next.

I noticed that too. I was thinking Barrera was just showing his pride though and actually expected him to stop before the end of the round and yet he came out for the 5th. He had no need to do that. Its fishy to me, I would like to know what happened there too.

I was thinking there could have been a communication problem. Marcos english is ok but not great.

Could have been. No doubts that Marco was bothered by the cut. He had no need to come out for that 5th.

[clintuk]

It's fair to say Barerra's cut hindered his vision and thus his ability to fight Khan to the level he wanted to, but I think it's unfair to give Khan zero credit at all. He did improve and he did appear to have a good gameplan.

[Gandalf]

It's fair to say Barerra's cut hindered his vision and thus his ability to fight Khan to the level he wanted to, but I think it's unfair to give Khan zero credit at all. He did improve and he did appear to have a good gameplan.

Yes, he did improve and he won his rounds well. But the cut was a mess and Barrera wasn't truly beaten in there. Im such a long time Barrera fan too so it was tough to swallow.

[clintuk]

It's fair to say Barerra's cut hindered his vision and thus his ability to fight Khan to the level he wanted to, but I think it's unfair to give Khan zero credit at all. He did improve and he did appear to have a good gameplan.

Yes, he did improve and he won his rounds well. But the cut was a mess and Barrera wasn't truly beaten in there. Im such a long time Barrera fan too so it was tough to swallow.

It's harsh for Barerra, and really sucks for a ring legend to go out like that I agree. Just think this thread should focus a bit more on Khan's improvements instead of constantly giving him a hard time for something which isn't his fault. I do wish it hadn't stopped on a cut though, worst way in my opinion.

[iwng100]

It's fair to say Barerra's cut hindered his vision and thus his ability to fight Khan to the level he wanted to, but I think it's unfair to give Khan zero credit at all. He did improve and he did appear to have a good gameplan.

Yes, I completely agree, it’s fair and classy to give always credit to the winner if it’s not a robbery.

[Gandalf]

It's fair to say Barerra's cut hindered his vision and thus his ability to fight Khan to the level he wanted to, but I think it's unfair to give Khan zero credit at all. He did improve and he did appear to have a good gameplan.

Yes, I completely agree, it’s fair and classy to give always credit to the winner if it’s not a robbery.

In it's own way it was a robbery though. The fight should have been a NC. How can you give credit to something so inconclusive. Manny Pac beat Barrera, now Khan really didnt.

[Fenster]

CutMeMickster, there was 20,000 paying punters in that joint not 200... if they stopped it after one or two rounds there would have been a RIOT!!!!

[Spicoli]

Was it as bad and busted up as it sounds?The quintessential crossroads fight.Was the cut the same one intentionally delivered in Barreras last fight by the 1-8 no hoper ??

Whatever the case,Barrera needs to retire.He has zero to prove and his career and status remain intact,to be respected and admired a great Champion.We as fans should be grateful for the many memories he has provided.I am glad that he did not try to politic or massages the rules .......He is a warrior,and I'm betting that he believed deep down he could win,cut or no cut,thus he continued on like a Champ.Have to respect that.Congrats to Khan....sounds like he may have matured and did exactly what he needed to do in executing his game plan.It was his day and merits acknowledgment.

Would have loved to see Enzo getting starched,Ola strikes me as an oddity,Fancy's himself a huge hitter despite the record.

[iwng100]

It's fair to say Barerra's cut hindered his vision and thus his ability to fight Khan to the level he wanted to, but I think it's unfair to give Khan zero credit at all. He did improve and he did appear to have a good gameplan.

Yes, I completely agree, it’s fair and classy to give always credit to the winner if it’s not a robbery.

In it's own way it was a robbery though. The fight should have been a NC. How can you give credit to something so inconclusive. Manny Pac beat Barrera, now Khan really didnt.

Sorry Miles but I have another definition for a robbery.
I also think Khan deserved some credit; maybe Barrera didn’t deserve to lose but Khan deserved to win IMO. I respect your opinion but tell me what Amir had to do to deserve it.

[Kel]

I just don't get it...

I mean Guerrero just did this the other night. He knew eventually they'd pull the plug on the fight and IMO he was getting beat. Would he have not opened his mouth and said he couldn't see they would have let him fight on.

You'd think a team that's been on the world stage this long would know and think ahead about situations like this. I kept telling my friend here they need to pull the plug before the 4th or this will end in favor of Khan by points. All Khan has to do is make it past the 4th...

I know, your talking perfect sense CMM im still thinking lots about the fight. It just never seemed quite right.

[CutMeMick]

CutMeMickster, there was 20,000 paying punters in that joint not 200... if they stopped it after one or two rounds there would have been a RIOT!!!!

So what's the problem?