London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[brocktonblockbust]

Yes Miles labor and Tories destroyed it long ago. Let them think Nigel will destroy it though.

[Gandalf]

Farage says a few good interesting things that seem to have been copied from Ron Paul, but in terms of being a man of the people he only really seems to have immigration and you cannot be a man of the people if you are going to rubber stamp the death of a great institution like the NHS. Tony Benn was a man of the people and he was pro NHS and anti immigration. Traditional left wing politics was anti-immigration. That's what is missing from politics today: left wing with some bite. If there was a left wing version of Farage, the public would likely lap it up. However, the left just won't touch immigration and so Farage is able to lap it all up all too easily. It's a shame Labour are such troll sell outs. How easy was it for them to boot out Galloway, but seemingly impossible to be rid of Blair? Sell out snakes.

[Dia bando]

Farage says a few good interesting things that seem to have been copied from Ron Paul, but in terms of being a man of the people he only really seems to have immigration and you cannot be a man of the people if you are going to rubber stamp the death of a great institution like the NHS. Tony Benn was a man of the people and he was pro NHS and anti immigration. Traditional left wing politics was anti-immigration. That's what is missing from politics today: left wing with some bite. If there was a left wing version of Farage, the public would likely lap it up. However, the left just won't touch immigration and so Farage is able to lap it all up all too easily. It's a shame Labour are such troll sell outs. How easy was it for them to boot out Galloway, but seemingly impossible to be rid of Blair? Sell out snakes.

Yes Labour were anti immigration, the simple facts are the workers pay into a system tax national
insurance, to fund the NHS myself and my parents have contributed over a long period of time.
The benefits are for people that are native to the country, you simple can't give health care to migrants
that have paid into the system for 5 minutes.
When immigration is left unchecked as we have now, NHS is at braking point we can't house our own
never mind more immigrants, schools are full local authority are cutting services, but more people
still keep on coming. We have to STOP giving money and benefits and housing to immigrants, unless
they can fund themselves, no benefits or NHS treatment for the 3 years.
Harsh as it may seem our system WAS set up for US, not to be given in a free for all buffet, it pisses
me off when I am paying for it, when I need the buffet all the plates are empty and I have paid for
it, lets face it we are not a Charity.

[Gandalf]

Farage says a few good interesting things that seem to have been copied from Ron Paul, but in terms of being a man of the people he only really seems to have immigration and you cannot be a man of the people if you are going to rubber stamp the death of a great institution like the NHS. Tony Benn was a man of the people and he was pro NHS and anti immigration. Traditional left wing politics was anti-immigration. That's what is missing from politics today: left wing with some bite. If there was a left wing version of Farage, the public would likely lap it up. However, the left just won't touch immigration and so Farage is able to lap it all up all too easily. It's a shame Labour are such troll sell outs. How easy was it for them to boot out Galloway, but seemingly impossible to be rid of Blair? Sell out snakes.

Yes Labour were anti immigration, the simple facts are the workers pay into a system tax national
insurance, to fund the NHS myself and my parents have contributed over a long period of time.
The benefits are for people that are native to the country, you simple can give health care to migrants
that have paid into the system for 5 minutes.
When immigration is left unchecked as we have now, NHS is at braking point we can't house our own
never mind more immigrants, schools are full local authority are cutting services, but more people
still keep on coming. We have to STOP giving money and benefits and housing to immigrants, unless
they can fund themselves, no benefits or NHS treatment for the 3 years.
Harsh as it may seem our system WAS set up for US, not to be given in a free for all buffet, it pisses
me off when I am paying for it, when I need the buffet all the plates are empty and I have paid for
it, lets face it we are not a Charity.

The thing with immigration and the EU is that it has never been put to a vote of the people. The entire EU system has no legitimacy, so why all these people are being allowed into a country despite the native people having never given their consent is mindboggling.

The money is there to pay things, but the politicians who let the immigrants in also use them as a convenient scapegoat too. There was money for bailouts, there is money for trident, there is money for a new parliament sauna, there is money for MP expenses, there is money for war, there is more money for spying and crisis actors, there is money for everything except the British people and their necessities like schools, hospitals, and infrastructure. Immigration shouldn't even be a part of the equation though. It shouldn't be.

[Dia bando]

Farage says a few good interesting things that seem to have been copied from Ron Paul, but in terms of being a man of the people he only really seems to have immigration and you cannot be a man of the people if you are going to rubber stamp the death of a great institution like the NHS. Tony Benn was a man of the people and he was pro NHS and anti immigration. Traditional left wing politics was anti-immigration. That's what is missing from politics today: left wing with some bite. If there was a left wing version of Farage, the public would likely lap it up. However, the left just won't touch immigration and so Farage is able to lap it all up all too easily. It's a shame Labour are such troll sell outs. How easy was it for them to boot out Galloway, but seemingly impossible to be rid of Blair? Sell out snakes.

Yes Labour were anti immigration, the simple facts are the workers pay into a system tax national
insurance, to fund the NHS myself and my parents have contributed over a long period of time.
The benefits are for people that are native to the country, you simple can give health care to migrants
that have paid into the system for 5 minutes.
When immigration is left unchecked as we have now, NHS is at braking point we can't house our own
never mind more immigrants, schools are full local authority are cutting services, but more people
still keep on coming. We have to STOP giving money and benefits and housing to immigrants, unless
they can fund themselves, no benefits or NHS treatment for the 3 years.
Harsh as it may seem our system WAS set up for US, not to be given in a free for all buffet, it pisses
me off when I am paying for it, when I need the buffet all the plates are empty and I have paid for
it, lets face it we are not a Charity.

The thing with immigration and the EU is that it has never been put to a vote of the people. The entire EU system has no legitimacy, so why all these people are being allowed into a country despite the native people having never given their consent is mindboggling.

The money is there to pay things, but the politicians who let the immigrants in also use them as a convenient scapegoat too. There was money for bailouts, there is money for trident, there is money for a new parliament sauna, there is money for MP expenses, there is money for war, there is more money for spying and crisis actors, there is money for everything except the British people and their necessities like schools, hospitals, and infrastructure. Immigration shouldn't even be a part of the equation though. It shouldn't be.

I can't see the point of immigration, when your own population needs employment it's a no brainier
see to the native population FIRST , housing, health care, jobs , with a large influx of immigrant
workers that drive down wages, what benefit to the British work none, only to the employers.
In my area most of the factory's employ immigrant workers, this is of no benefit to the locals most
of the people I talk to despise them, it may seem harsh but that's what they say .
One week you have job, next week you have lost your job and replaced with immigrant workers,
it's not rocket science they resent immigrant's because they have cost them there jobs a simple
fact if they were not here they would still have a job.

[ryanman]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

If you tell me flights etc are not crammed then yes I believe you since I'm not there. Are you saying there was/is no massive influx? I meant what I said about that. If it hasn't been as massive as I predicted I have no problem saying my prediction was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

Yeah it does actually. Makes me think some things are worth discussing after all.

[Beanz]

Yes Miles labor and Tories destroyed it long ago. Let them think Nigel will destroy it though.

Them? Why do you seek to divide the forum so?

Labour with a U as in ChUmp.

Farage the disgrunteld Tory is actually much further to the right than his ex-colleagues, and has finally admitted that, rather than being proud of Britain and it's heritage, he is willing to sell it down the river and adopt the US model of insurance. He announced this today, which if you lived in the UK you would have known. I realise that you have to compulsively like and brown nose virtually every poster on the forum and that you have been carrying on a huge desperate PM campaign behind the scenes, but there are actually times when your eagerness to please is a bit embarrassing. It's false and it doesn't mean anything. Give it a rest.

[Gandalf]

It's the kinds of views espoused by Dia that affect me the most. How can you neglect your own working classes? Firstly, by closing down industry to overseas production and then by giving the remaining service based jobs to immigrants from poor countries! A double kick in the face in a country where social mobility is a myth. What about the poor from home? Did they not deserve to work in a factory or to sell things at a living wage and instead shunted got away on benefits because they were surplus to requirements? It was a double whammy and all this stuff about people not wanting to work. Nobody wants to work! You do it to survive, but you cannot survive on zero hours contracts, or working full time for benefits, or by making the poor spend all their money on indirect taxes. Why should you compete with Romanians, Americans or anyone? What is immigration needed for exactly? To work in coffe shops that don't pay their corporate taxes nor a living wage! Boot the fricking coffee shops!

All I see from afar is some kind of twisted ethnic cleansing programme with people being kicked out of their own communities for the sake of property developers that sell to the overseas rich and in turn they want their sandwiches prepared by the cheapest immigrants possible. That's really messed up. Trickle down, my arse! It is increased inequality and mass immigration and the British shunted wherever they can be hidden.

[SlimTrae]

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I can't see the point of immigration, when your own population needs employment it's a no brainier
see to the native population FIRST ,

with a large influx of immigrant
workers that drive down wages, what benefit to the British work none, only to the employers.

In my area most of the factory's employ immigrant workers, this is of no benefit to the locals most
of the people I talk to despise them, it may seem harsh but that's what they say .
One week you have job, next week you have lost your job and replaced with immigrant workers,
it's not rocket science they resent immigrant's because they have cost them there jobs a simple
fact if they were not here they would still have a job.

I got my CDL commercial driving license thinking this is about the last in the American Job frontier that can't be outsourced- Yet I've heard some lawmakers have allowed some Mexican companies to begin driving onto our highways system (California-west coast)

I've spent the past 15 years in I.T. & have watched companies fund political campaigns claiming to work for America- Yet the 40 story building downtown I worked: About 90% of the cleaners are Hispanics from several countries- & the kicker is---they have tags saying they don't speak English.

Meanwhile I got to listen to some asswipe Conservatives who claim they're losing America-while greeting Jose' who cleans our restrooms. Hey..wanna get America back, say something about the owners of this building employing out in the open immigrants, jeesh; hypocrites.

I hear some fluzzi Liberal claiming it adds to our culture, while we sit at a Greek restaurant -serious with Mexican cooks. Damn, when did Gyros become Latin cuisine?

And our help desk thanks to carriers like Sprint & Verizon... are now located in India, where I have to train Gamesh & Sanjeevi over the phone via Bridge conference on how to do my job with CA Autosys...aint that some shit?!

We Americans want about 50k, well Gamesh & Sanjeevi are making about 10k..and don't need healthcare...yet I'm told its all Obama's fault. How the fuck does Obama or Bush Jr. bring back a 10k in India & at least 40K here?

We use to do backups in data centers about 3 hours of a shift, but thanks to technology something called cilos- machines do it, and never fuck up...how in the hell do U get that job back? We've gone from computation to automation..we don't.

40 hours a week? Shit... Koch brothers the billionaires who have ahold on industries -plural-

I went for an interview for their data center in Green Bay last year- and get this..they have a 3 day rotation 12 hour, switching mon-wed, then 2 weeks later thur-sat rotate every other sunday..so when the shit is added up, you don't work 52 weeks a year..its like 42 weeks a year. WHY? Why fuck up a person's sleep pattern just to fuck over 10 weeks of their pay?

& the programmers? Pulleeeaze. A position called project management has been created to do what they call metrics- so that if they see a 40 hour work week employee @ 52 weeks a year actually working 52 weeks a year??
Then they ELIMINATE THE FULL TIME POSITION bring in a temp agency- and call it a CONTRACT position for 8-10 months...in other words bon voyage to the full time worker.

& the biggest printers in our region , relocated 1/2 of their binderies to Mexico..Yup Sports Illustrated to People magazine printed in a country that cant even read the shit...meanwhile Democratic politicians push for more check into cash payday loans- interest rates that would make President Andrew Jackson rise from the grave.. & shoot a muthajumpa..or two..

End result: Americans are told the reasons for this fucked up scenario is philosophy- so we are hating the living shit outta each other in the name of liberalism & conservatism..
and by the time we realize it, everything would have been outsourced leaving us with nothing but food stamps & pantries.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

If you tell me flights etc are not crammed then yes I believe you since I'm not there. Are you saying there was/is no massive influx? I meant what I said about that. If it hasn't been as massive as I predicted I have no problem saying my prediction was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

Yeah it does actually. Makes me think some things are worth discussing after all.

Some things are, for sure. But you wanted confirmation on other things too, like "close the mosques" quip. Now the influx issue. Angry outbursts or jokes should be taken at arm's length, and easily identified as such. In those instances discussion is great, but rather unnecessary. One should be able to glean the general point and not take everything so literally. It borders on paranoia. Then that leads to the need to take the moral high ground/moral policing, etc. No need for all that IMO.
Hey, I'll clarify anything you want Ryan.

[Beanz]

Ok forget the '29 Million'. You still said 'the invasion is set for April 2014. Flights, trains and ferries WILL be crammed and you will be sorry'.

You were wrong. Any chance of admitting it?
Or is this one of those times where you didn't mean what you said and how could we be so unfair for assuming you did?
Cue others jumping with generalisations about immigration that aren't relevant.

This thread was about the massive influx of Romanians and Bulgarians that you said we were going to be hit with.
We said it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen.
That simple.
Anything else is a different discussion.

If you tell me flights etc are not crammed then yes I believe you since I'm not there. Are you saying there was/is no massive influx? I meant what I said about that. If it hasn't been as massive as I predicted I have no problem saying my prediction was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

Yeah it does actually. Makes me think some things are worth discussing after all.

Some things are, for sure. But you wanted confirmation on other things too, like "close the mosques" quip. Now the influx issue. Angry outbursts or jokes should be taken at arm's length, and easily identified as such. In those instances discussion is great, but rather unnecessary. One should be able to glean the general point and not take everything so literally. It borders on paranoia. Then that leads to the need to take the moral high ground/moral policing, etc. No need for all that IMO.
Hey, I'll clarify anything you want Ryan.

That would be fine if you were genuine and we're willing to respond in kind but you don't. Double standards. You have turned into a cross between a two faced sycophant and a performing seal. It's just not funny anymore.