Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

[SweetPea]

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

No offense Wacko, but if you're going to use compubox numbers as part of your argument, don't you think it's disingenuous to leave out the stats that clearly favor Vargas?
If you posted the full compubox stats, they would show that Vargas threw and landed a signifcantly higher amount of punches than Wright.

[Wacko3205]

Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

wacko im sorry if i missed something but that shows vargas landed higher percentage so how does that prove wright won ?? sorry if i missed something just never seen fight

ICB...I know that you watch boxing...I know that you have seen shitty decisions before...I know you know what effective aggression is.

Wright put a hurtin on Vargas. It was a fight. It was a shitty shitty decision. If you read the stats...then I know you saw the scores too.

One judge pulled it at a draw. That's how close the fight was...not sure if you saw the fight or not. This thread is about contro fights...trust me...this one was controversial to the end.

They brought Vargas in with the famous "ferocious" aurra going on & alongside the famous Vegas White Tiger...Vargas was lauded as the next Oscar...he had the fight won before he climbed through the ropes.

Watch the fight & you can see how close it was...& why it is controversial.

Also...I aint trying to be as catty as that sounded...Wacko's on some serious pain killers for the back pains right now...I apologize...but until you sit down & see it for yourself...that's that.

It's opinion...but Wright won.

[Wacko3205]

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

No offense Wacko, but if you're going to use compubox numbers as part of your argument, don't you think it's disingenuous to leave out the stats that clearly favor Vargas?
If you posted the full compubox stats, they would show that Vargas threw and landed a signifcantly higher amount of punches than Wright.

Sorry babe...thought that was enough to show that it favored Vargas. I'll be sure to be more on point next time with my posts...but the record & my post shows that Vargas was the lead on stats...

[ICB]

Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

wacko im sorry if i missed something but that shows vargas landed higher percentage so how does that prove wright won ?? sorry if i missed something just never seen fight

ICB...I know that you watch boxing...I know that you have seen shitty decisions before...I know you know what effective aggression is.

Wright put a hurtin on Vargas. It was a fight. It was a shitty shitty decision. If you read the stats...then I know you saw the scores too.

One judge pulled it at a draw. That's how close the fight was...not sure if you saw the fight or not. This thread is about contro fights...trust me...this one was controversial to the end.

They brought Vargas in with the famous "ferocious" aurra going on & alongside the famous Vegas White Tiger...Vargas was lauded as the next Oscar...he had the fight won before he climbed through the ropes.

Watch the fight & you can see how close it was...& why it is controversial.

Also...I aint trying to be as catty as that sounded...Wacko's on some serious pain killers for the back pains right now...I apologize...but until you sit down & see it for yourself...that's that.

It's opinion...but Wright won.

good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro

[Wacko3205]

Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

wacko im sorry if i missed something but that shows vargas landed higher percentage so how does that prove wright won ?? sorry if i missed something just never seen fight

ICB...I know that you watch boxing...I know that you have seen shitty decisions before...I know you know what effective aggression is.

Wright put a hurtin on Vargas. It was a fight. It was a shitty shitty decision. If you read the stats...then I know you saw the scores too.

One judge pulled it at a draw. That's how close the fight was...not sure if you saw the fight or not. This thread is about contro fights...trust me...this one was controversial to the end.

They brought Vargas in with the famous "ferocious" aurra going on & alongside the famous Vegas White Tiger...Vargas was lauded as the next Oscar...he had the fight won before he climbed through the ropes.

Watch the fight & you can see how close it was...& why it is controversial.

Also...I aint trying to be as catty as that sounded...Wacko's on some serious pain killers for the back pains right now...I apologize...but until you sit down & see it for yourself...that's that.

It's opinion...but Wright won.

good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro

Like I said...I wasn't being a dick or catty or whatever...but that fight holds a severe sore spot for me.

I think Wright won it & at the least should have drawn. He man handled Vargas for the majority of the fight & Vargas one maybe two or three rounds convincingly IWO.

You just have to see the fight. It's all opinion...but the stats don't add up for me when you see the performance.

to ya.

[SweetPea]

good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro

I sent you a PM with the link a few days ago. It should have worked fine, it was the one I used.

[Violent Demise]

Round 01- Vargas
Round 02- Wright
Round 03- Wright
Round 04- Vargas
Round 05- Vargas
Round 06- Wright
Round 07- Vargas
Round 08- Wright
Round 09- Wright
Round 10- Vargas
Round 11- Vargas
Round 12- Vargas

115-113 Vargas

I think the fact that Wright fought a lot better than people taught he would, made people think he actually won the fight. I have no idea why Wright toned it down in the championship rounds. He allowed a tired Vargas to out-work him. Nobodies fault but his own.

[Scrap]

Wright pissed it.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Wright pissed it.

Score it.

good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro

I sent you a PM with the link a few days ago. It should have worked fine, it was the one I used.

Chuck us that link, im dying to score this one myself. And the Harry Simon fight :P

[TyBuff]

I have no idea why Wright toned it down in the championship rounds. He allowed a tired Vargas to out-work him. Nobodies fault but his own.

Wright has done that a couple of times (Taylor was one) and had it bite him in the a$$.

[Scrap]

Jim there are two stinkers that Ive seen that stick in my mind Vargas v Wright and Whittaker v Ramiraz and nobody will change my mimd on either sorry.

[ICB]

bump

[ICB]

bump again lets get this thread going again sweetpea

[SweetPea]

Sorry, I keep forgetting to update this...

Next fight:

November 8, 2003. Roy Jones, Jr. (48-1, 38 KO) vs. Antonio Tarver (21-1, 17 KO) for Jones' Undisputed Light Heavyweight Championship. This was Jones' first fight back at 175 after coming back down from heavyweight.

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Jones | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 115
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Tarver | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 113

Jones had very little energy in this fight. Not much movement, no snap on his punches. But I gave him 7 rounds because he outworked Tarver.
In most rounds, Tarver would just stand there and do NOTHING for 2 and a half minutes, and then he would unleash one flurry, with some of the punches getting thru and many being blocked.
When the compubox numbers are similar, I'm going to give the round to the guy who controls the vast majority of the 3 minutes, not the guy who throws one or two flurries and just stands still for the rest of the round. Tarver whined and complained after this fight but he needed to look in the mirror because he let himself get beat by a guy who was nowhere near 100%.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Tarver whined and complained that it wasnt Jones weight that it was his skill and that the weight was an excuse.

Well karmas a mother aint it for Tarver? who can't use that excuse for why Hopkins beat him