Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4| 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Barrera | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Morales | | | | | | | | | | | | |

here is a bad looking template, if you guys want to use it.

Quality KS & SP, now im definately in. I was kinda looking for an excuse to go over some of my old DVD's (Bar Dr. Iron fist )
Now i have the perfect reason

[killersheep]

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4| 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Barrera | 10|10 | 9 |9 | 9 | 9 | 10| 10|9 | 9 |9 |10 | 113
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Morales | 9 |9 |10 |10 |10 |10 |9 | 9 |10 | 10 | 10|8 | 114

round 1 - close round, gave it to Barrera as he was in control more often
round 2 - Barrera landed the more dominant shots
round 3 - Morales in control most of the round, able to pot shot
round 4 - even round even trades, slow round
round 5 - incredible round, gave it to Morales as he owned the first two minutes
round 6 - slow round, gave it to Morales he was in control of the ring
round 7- round to Barrera, his hard shots are starting to show their effect
round 8 - round to Barrera, Marco is really turning it on now, Morales firing back, but not keeping up
round 9 - Barrera landed a great combo at the end, but Morales outlanded him throughout the round
round 10- Morales looking good with the right
round 11- Morales doing well targeting MABs eye, good trades throughout
round 12- 10-8 Barrera with the Knockdown


I had Morales edging it, I'm glad I wasn't a judge on this fight, that's for sure
there were 5 rounds on this fight that could have gone either way.

[Violent Demise]

Round 1-Barrera
Round 2-Barrera
Round 3-Morales
Round 4-Morales
Round 5-Morales
Round 6-Morales
Round 7-Barrera
Round 8-Even
Round 9-Morales
Round 10-Morales
Round 11-Morales
Round 12-Barrera

115-113 Morales

[ICB]

Round 1-Barrera
Round 2-Barrera
Round 3-Morales
Round 4-Morales
Round 5-Morales
Round 6-Morales
Round 7-Barrera
Round 8-Even
Round 9-Morales
Round 10-Morales
Round 11-Morales
Round 12-Barrera

115-113 Morales

i remember watching this fight hbo commentators and lederman all scored that memorable 5th round for barrera even though morales outlanded him in that round like 50 to 25 or something like that i could never understand why they scored that round for barrera

[ICB]

round 1= barrera 10-9

round 2= barrera 10-9

round 3= morales 10-9

round 4= barrera 10-9

round5= morales 10-9

round6= morales 10-9

round7= morales 10-9

round8= even 10-10

round9= morales 10-9

round10= morales 10-9

round11= barrera 10-9

round 12 barrera 10-8

114 barrera morales 114

[SweetPea]

i remember watching this fight hbo commentators and lederman all scored that memorable 5th round for barrera even though morales outlanded him in that round like 50 to 25 or something like that i could never understand why they scored that round for barrera

Ya I agree. Barrera staggered Morales twice in the round, and I assume that's what it was based on. But there was about 90 seconds in the middle of the round where Morales landed one big straight hand after another.
I only got thru round 10 last night. I'll have my card up once I get home from work and get to watch 11 and 12 this afternoon.
Another questionable thing about the fight that could be discussed is how we choose to score the 12th, since the knockdown was clearly not legit, as the replays show no punch landed.

[killersheep]

So that's 2 for Morales and 1 draw Sweetpea, how do you have it?

[ICB]

So that's 2 for Morales and 1 draw Sweetpea, how do you have it?

i was quite surpised i scored it a draw but nvm i enjoy reviewing old fights please do some more peace

[ICB]

i remember watching this fight hbo commentators and lederman all scored that memorable 5th round for barrera even though morales outlanded him in that round like 50 to 25 or something like that i could never understand why they scored that round for barrera

Ya I agree. Barrera staggered Morales twice in the round, and I assume that's what it was based on. But there was about 90 seconds in the middle of the round where Morales landed one big straight hand after another.
I only got thru round 10 last night. I'll have my card up once I get home from work and get to watch 11 and 12 this afternoon.
Another questionable thing about the fight that could be discussed is how we choose to score the 12th, since the knockdown was clearly not legit, as the replays show no punch landed.

i didnt bother to watch last round today because i knew it was 10-8 round anyway but good point because knockdown wasnt legit on my card even if morales would of lost 12th round 10-9 he would of won decision but ill watch 12th round later and tell you what i think peace

[killersheep]

i remember watching this fight hbo commentators and lederman all scored that memorable 5th round for barrera even though morales outlanded him in that round like 50 to 25 or something like that i could never understand why they scored that round for barrera

Ya I agree. Barrera staggered Morales twice in the round, and I assume that's what it was based on. But there was about 90 seconds in the middle of the round where Morales landed one big straight hand after another.
I only got thru round 10 last night. I'll have my card up once I get home from work and get to watch 11 and 12 this afternoon.
Another questionable thing about the fight that could be discussed is how we choose to score the 12th, since the knockdown was clearly not legit, as the replays show no punch landed.

i didnt bother to watch last round today because i knew it was 10-8 round anyway but good point because knockdown wasnt legit on my card even if morales would of lost 12th round 10-9 he would of won decision but ill watch 12th round later and tell you what i think peace

How does that work though, even though it wasn't a legit knockdown, the ref called it as so. Do the judges HAVE to accept that?

[ICB]

i remember watching this fight hbo commentators and lederman all scored that memorable 5th round for barrera even though morales outlanded him in that round like 50 to 25 or something like that i could never understand why they scored that round for barrera

Ya I agree. Barrera staggered Morales twice in the round, and I assume that's what it was based on. But there was about 90 seconds in the middle of the round where Morales landed one big straight hand after another.
I only got thru round 10 last night. I'll have my card up once I get home from work and get to watch 11 and 12 this afternoon.
Another questionable thing about the fight that could be discussed is how we choose to score the 12th, since the knockdown was clearly not legit, as the replays show no punch landed.

i didnt bother to watch last round today because i knew it was 10-8 round anyway but good point because knockdown wasnt legit on my card even if morales would of lost 12th round 10-9 he would of won decision but ill watch 12th round later and tell you what i think peace

How does that work though, even though it wasn't a legit knockdown, the ref called it as so. Do the judges HAVE to accept that?

well just watched 12th round and without knockdown i prolly would of scored 12th round even not much in it 12th round could of gone either way without knockdown

[BIG H]

Cool thread - gona find the fight and watch it later - will post my score tomorrow - should be able to find fight on one of El Gamos threads

That was a hint for somebody to post it by the way

[SweetPea]

How does that work though, even though it wasn't a legit knockdown, the ref called it as so. Do the judges HAVE to accept that?

I'm not sure what the answer is to this.
I'm not certain if they "have" to take a point off, or if it's just common practice to take a point off. I believe they have the option, because I know there are cases where a guy gets knocked down 3 or more times, but they still score it only 10-7 instead of 10-6, 10-5, etc.
It's a good thing the point didn't factor into the decision, if Barrera had won by split decision, and the cards were 114-113 (6 rounds even with the knockdown point taken off), then the controversy would've been out of control.

[yoitsdan]

I had it 114-113 Morales, scored exactly the same as killersheep.

[killersheep]

How does that work though, even though it wasn't a legit knockdown, the ref called it as so. Do the judges HAVE to accept that?

I'm not sure what the answer is to this.
I'm not certain if they "have" to take a point off, or if it's just common practice to take a point off. I believe they have the option, because I know there are cases where a guy gets knocked down 3 or more times, but they still score it only 10-7 instead of 10-6, 10-5, etc.
It's a good thing the point didn't factor into the decision, if Barrera had won by split decision, and the cards were 114-113 (6 rounds even with the knockdown point taken off), then the controversy would've been out of control.

I guess that a round that is won is 10-9, a round with a knockdown OR is completely dominated without a knockdown is 10-8, and if there are multiple knockdowns it can be judged 10-7, never anything lower than a 7 without penalty though.