Who matches up best with Pac?

[babyboNe]

I think PAC has done enough at 130, he should move up to 135 and fight Casamayor, Guzman or one of the Diaz's.

if ever pac moves up to 135 he'd fight casamayor. thats a dream fight i'll love to see.

but pac has unfinish business with jmm, and pac is not a division skipping fighter, so he'll prollyy stay until he fights jmm just to settle whos best.

[Taeth]

As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.

That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.

Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo

You would give him the best superfeatherweight of al time for that? So you think he would beat Mayweather or Azumah at the weight? I can't even see him beating Corrales or Casamayor at the weight. Mayweather would destroy him at 130. Also Pacquaio isn't that small weighing in at 144 means that he's at least as big as Mayweather in his walking around weight, and larger than Valero from what I've seen.

[josef4334]

Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero is fun and it'll be a slugfest... but in my opinion Manny will brutalize him inside of four rounds if they ever fight.
Manny i think has underated defense and chin. He's faster than Edwin, has lots of experience fighting elites and perhaps they're equal in power. Manny will have all the advantages.

Juan Manuel Marquez definitely has a better chance of defeating Manny than Marco, Joan, Edwin, Rocky, etc. yet i'll still favor Manny against him. A Marquez rematch is the best and meaningful match for Pacquiao.

man.. if i could copy your post i wont have to type.. hahahaha.. but plagiarism aside.. a lot of people here under estimate manny's defense and chin.. the last time he was koed was when he was 112lbs.. if anybody was hit by 3 consecutive rights from larios the way manny did they would have been ktfo.. he got hit by morales too in their last fight.. and those were not pillow punches either....also.. we all know that mab got the better of jmm in that fight.. if pac hits jmm the same shots mab was landing.. i dunno.. ill leave the answer to u guys...

[babyboNe]

Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero is fun and it'll be a slugfest... but in my opinion Manny will brutalize him inside of four rounds if they ever fight.
Manny i think has underated defense and chin. He's faster than Edwin, has lots of experience fighting elites and perhaps they're equal in power. Manny will have all the advantages.

Juan Manuel Marquez definitely has a better chance of defeating Manny than Marco, Joan, Edwin, Rocky, etc. yet i'll still favor Manny against him. A Marquez rematch is the best and meaningful match for Pacquiao.

man.. if i could copy your post i wont have to type.. hahahaha.. but plagiarism aside.. a lot of people here under estimate manny's defense and chin.. the last time he was koed was when he was 112lbs.. if anybody was hit by 3 consecutive rights from larios the way manny did they would have been ktfo.. he got hit by morales too in their last fight.. and those were not pillow punches either....also.. we all know that mab got the better of jmm in that fight.. if pac hits jmm the same shots mab was landing.. i dunno.. ill leave the answer to u guys...

+3 i'm starting to like your comments, i'll be looking forward to more.

[Taeth]

Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero is fun and it'll be a slugfest... but in my opinion Manny will brutalize him inside of four rounds if they ever fight.
Manny i think has underated defense and chin. He's faster than Edwin, has lots of experience fighting elites and perhaps they're equal in power. Manny will have all the advantages.

Juan Manuel Marquez definitely has a better chance of defeating Manny than Marco, Joan, Edwin, Rocky, etc. yet i'll still favor Manny against him. A Marquez rematch is the best and meaningful match for Pacquiao.

man.. if i could copy your post i wont have to type.. hahahaha.. but plagiarism aside.. a lot of people here under estimate manny's defense and chin.. the last time he was koed was when he was 112lbs.. if anybody was hit by 3 consecutive rights from larios the way manny did they would have been ktfo.. he got hit by morales too in their last fight.. and those were not pillow punches either....also.. we all know that mab got the better of jmm in that fight.. if pac hits jmm the same shots mab was landing.. i dunno.. ill leave the answer to u guys...

I don't know Larios isn't the hardest puncher ever. However I agree that Pacquaio has a decent chin, but it still isn't great. Also his defense is pretty good as long as he is boxing, but as soon as he starts to throw combinations, and especially when he gets tagged throwing combinations he goes crazy, and his defence goes to shit.

[pacfan]

You would give him the best superfeatherweight of al time for that? So you think he would beat Mayweather or Azumah at the weight? I can't even see him beating Corrales or Casamayor at the weight. Mayweather would destroy him at 130. Also Pacquaio isn't that small weighing in at 144 means that he's at least as big as Mayweather in his walking around weight, and larger than Valero from what I've seen.

I'm almost tempted to say, 'you're boy ain't beaten nobody yet but my boy's beaten all the best out there,' but naw, I won't say that, that's just too unkind of me. So pac-fans, sorry about that, maybe next time when I feel more like an azzhole.

[GAME]

Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .

Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.

A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen

[Pavlik]

Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .

Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.

A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen

cc, i totally agree

[josef4334]

Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .

Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.

A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen

by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales?and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's

[Pavlik]

Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .

Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.

A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen

by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales?and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's

I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.

[josef4334]

Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .

Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.

A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen

by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales?and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's

I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.

im not saying erik is not past his prime.. im just saying that by the way he describes guzman he discredits erik achievements..... erik has fought almost twice the number of fights that guzman fought and most of erik's opponents are big names.. and to say that pac has never faced the desire speed talent and ambition like guzman poses are just a big diss to mab, jmm, and morales

[GAME]

Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .

Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.

A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen

by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales?and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's

I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.

im not saying erik is not past his prime.. im just saying that by the way he describes guzman he discredits erik achievements..... erik has fought almost twice the number of fights that guzman fought and most of erik's opponents are big names.. and to say that pac has never faced the desire speed talent and ambition like guzman poses are just a big diss to mab, jmm, and morales

Nah , dont get me wrong . Im not saying beating Barrios makes you the man im just saying , Guzman proved himself against an un and comer . Pac didnt . The Morales he fought quit all too easily.

You say Morales has more ambition and desire than Guzman but I very seriously doubt it . Morales didnt bring much heart that night . His carrer on paper shows he was washed up or atleast in rapid declne. Guzman comes expecting to win and would have the pride of an undefeated fighter , not the losers mentality of Morales who was coming off a loss every time he met Pac . I just think its time Pac met someone with a pulse just kiddin

[Pavlik]

As crazy as it sounds, I think Pac - Valero would be a very close match. Neither fighter would give an inch, Valero has absolutely 0 defense but he is ALWAYS throwing and he throws the type of bombs that I can see Pacman walking into. The only thing I worry is Pac's one punch power. Valero is just a fighter who is balls to the wall and overwhelms you with his hands at his hips and while I think he can connect to Pacquiao, I don't know if he could KO him before Pac got to him.

That would have the potential to be one of the most fun matches to watch out there. Two guys who swing with little regard for defense.

Absolutely!!! Valero is one scary beast. I'm scared for PAC in this one, PAC has shown over and over again that he has below if not average defense and can get hurt big time. But I honestly would like to see this one happening.
If PAC beats Valero and win it by knockout I can say that PAC can already retire and he is absolutely the best superfeatherweight of all time for beating a naturally much larger man with the highest knockout percentage and most1st round kayo

You would give him the best superfeatherweight of al time for that? So you think he would beat Mayweather or Azumah at the weight? I can't even see him beating Corrales or Casamayor at the weight. Mayweather would destroy him at 130. Also Pacquaio isn't that small weighing in at 144 means that he's at least as big as Mayweather in his walking around weight, and larger than Valero from what I've seen.

I'm taking into consideration that PAC started really light as compared to fighters you've mentioned that fought way longer than him as a superfeather/or heavier. For a naturally small framed fighter PAC's achievements are way more of a FEAT than the fighters you've mentioned. To add you mean Valero and Mayweathers walking weight hovers around 140'ish? Dang those two definitely weighs alot more during fight night IMO.

[josef4334]

Pac has improved alot but i'd still like to see him prove it against an up and comer instead of a guy in decline . That way he can determine what he has and not what teh other guy hasnt got .

Each time he fought Morales the Mexican was coming off a loss so its difficult to tell if Manny is truely as good as the win on papaer suggest . He wasnt beating a peak Morales on a winning streak , the one he did beat was a guy who stayed down shaking his head after just 3 rounds , Erik wouldnt have done that in his prime.

A prime fighter for me right now is Guzman , he proved his worth against a guy in his prime against Barrios . That was seen as a toss up but Guzman was clearly superior on fight night . A fighter with Guzmans speed , desire , ambition and talent would be something Pac has never faced before . The winner would be ruler of the superfeatherweight division . It should happen

by the sounds of it ur trying to say that morales is a nobody is barrios is a somebody.. do u think barrios could even be in the level of morales?and youre saying guzman has the speed,desire ambition and talent.. u think his ambition is much more than morales.. or his desire... morales' ambition made him fight pac 3 times.. and his talent made him one of the youngest champion in boxing.. hes a hall of famer.. i understand you dont like pac.. but dont ever compare morales to guzman and barrios coz none of barrios or guzman's opponents was in morales' caliber.. or pac's or mab's

I understand you Bro, but we can't deny Erik is no longer in his prime when he got steamrolled by PAC nevertheless it's still a feat, Raheem was not able to drop Morales or even hurt him.

im not saying erik is not past his prime.. im just saying that by the way he describes guzman he discredits erik achievements..... erik has fought almost twice the number of fights that guzman fought and most of erik's opponents are big names.. and to say that pac has never faced the desire speed talent and ambition like guzman poses are just a big diss to mab, jmm, and morales

Nah , dont get me wrong . Im not saying beating Barrios makes you the man im just saying , Guzman proved himself against an un and comer . Pac didnt . The Morales he fought quit all too easily.

You say Morales has more ambition and desire than Guzman but I very seriously doubt it . Morales didnt bring much heart that night . His carrer on paper shows he was washed up or atleast in rapid declne. Guzman comes expecting to win and would have the pride of an undefeated fighter , not the losers mentality of Morales who was coming off a loss every time he met Pac . I just think its time Pac met someone with a pulse just kiddin

i get wut ur saying man....but come on..would you like a fighter to prove himself against an up and comer or an establish champ?

[Olympian904]

If you knock a guy down that many times...and you only come away with a draw...YOU LOST.