Why I Think Mayweather Will Permanently Ruin Hatton

[Althugz]

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[quote=NuthaPug ]

Though that won't stop the Max Kellerman's of the world to brow beat Hatton if he loses, like they have hoped he would lose every fight. As far as gaining respect, that will be seen after the fight. I saw more holding and foul play with Hopkins vs. Wright than I have in Hatton's whole career, and nobody said a damn thing about it except he is skillful.

Thats funny bro because I have a DVD of the Gatti Mayweather fight and afterwards Max Kellermans exact words when asked about who can beat Floyd were 'Floyd would tear Miguel Cotto up right now, however Ricky Hatton although wouldn't be favourite to win, has a smothering style that can sometimes over-tax a defensive fighter like Floyd'
So I think Kellerman does call it how he see's it and is quite fair..he has been accused of loving off Floyd in the past. I'm quite fond of Kellerman..eccentric as fuck but kool none the less!

[NuthaPug]

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No one made fun of Baldomir or Gatti or Corrales after losing to Mayweather, but I'm sure all the little gum-bumpers will be overjoyed if Hatton loses and will keep talking for months about it. Hatton wouldn't get respect even if he does beat Floyd, as they'll say he cheated with his "wrestling",lol.

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No one expected either Baldomir or Gatti to beat Floyd; neither of them were undefeated. The comparison fails. With Hatton-Mayweather we have two undefeated champions facing each other. One will take the other down and diminish him. Neither Baldomir nor Gatti were diminished by losing to Floyd as they didn't come in on the same basis that Ricky does.

And you're absolutely wrong. If Hatton manages to beat Floyd, he'll get loads of respect - if he fights way dirty he'll get called on it, but there is a ref in the ring. No matter how Hatton manages to beat Floyd, he'll get a W and hand Floyd his first L and no matter what any detractors say (there are always those that will talk trash but let's not make them the mainstream) Hatton will have great respect and reknown for his deed.

That said, I think a loss in this fight would be more detrimental to Mayweather's image than it will to Hatton's.

You're right, my comparison did fail with Baldomir and Gatti, as I didn't expect 2 old men to beat him either and they weren't undefeated as you said, which really is why Ricky should get more respect in the 1st place. Though that won't stop the Max Kellerman's of the world to brow beat Hatton if he loses, like they have hoped he would lose every fight. As far as gaining respect, that will be seen after the fight. I saw more holding and foul play with Hopkins vs. Wright than I have in Hatton's whole career, and nobody said a damn thing about it except he is skillful. Somehow Hatton can do less holding than B-Hop and get trashed for it and it's somehow mauling and ugly fighting and cheating. So though I concede your point about my bad comparison, we'll see if Hatton can pull it off and then watch to see if "respect" is even mentioned with Hatton in the same sentence. I know he barely got acknowleged for beating Castillo down, and seemed he got no respect at all as he beat up a geezer. Yet Floyd can fight Baldomir and Gatti who were practically in retirement homes and nothing is said. I would CC you for pointing out my bad comparison but I can't yet.

Well, then, in that case, I CC'd you.

I think Hatton's win over Castillo was a valid win but slightly ambiguous. Castillo may not have been, when in the ring with Hatton, the same Castillo that probably did really hand Mayweather his first defeat. I know that to say this sounds like it detracts from a Hatton victory, but since it may be true anyway, that leaves Hatton's victory over Castillo slightly ambiguous in terms of how much of a feather in Hatton's cap it is.

The good news is that I haven't heard anyone in the world even hint that Floyd Mayweather is past it, over the hill, not what he used to be. A bit slower and less powerful (as indicated by fewer KOs) at upper weights, perhaps.

Nor has it been said that Ricky is past it.

Both Hatton and Mayweather are on top of their game. No excuses of that nature will apply. Whichever of them gets the win will have a W that can't be argued downward in value the way Hatton-Castillo can (whether you agree with it or not). The ambiguity about either fighter just doesn't exist in terms of where they are at in their career.

That's a Good Thing.

[Kirkland Laing]

Hatton has already said that he's going to fight at the weight he was at in his last fight in all future fights, even if they're at welter. That means he has more speed/mobility etc. (It was misreported at the time as Hatton saying Floyd had to make 140 or there'd be no fight.) So at the weigh-in Hatton will be 143 or less for this fight.

[LEGION]

[quote=Althugz ]
[quote=LEGION ]

Though that won't stop the Max Kellerman's of the world to brow beat Hatton if he loses, like they have hoped he would lose every fight. As far as gaining respect, that will be seen after the fight. I saw more holding and foul play with Hopkins vs. Wright than I have in Hatton's whole career, and nobody said a damn thing about it except he is skillful.

Thats funny bro because I have a DVD of the Gatti Mayweather fight and afterwards Max Kellermans exact words when asked about who can beat Floyd were 'Floyd would tear Miguel Cotto up right now, however Ricky Hatton although wouldn't be favourite to win, has a smothering style that can sometimes over-tax a defensive fighter like Floyd'
So I think Kellerman does call it how he see's it and is quite fair..he has been accused of loving off Floyd in the past. I'm quite fond of Kellerman..eccentric as F*** but kool none the less!

Yeah and I'd be an ass to say Max is the bad guy of commentators{just because I don't like him}, when he usually does call it right, as you said. But the night Ricky beat Castillo was shameful in my eyes in how Max made a fool of himself{IMO} in taking all credit away from Hatton for what amounted to a beatdown, past it or not. Eccentic isn't the word for Kellerman; creepy is. That head bobbing drives me wacko,lol.

[OumaFan]

I'm not saying he will physically beat him so bad that he will ruin him like Chavez did to Taylor, but Floyd is about to destroy Ricky Hatton's career for these reasons:

1. He's going to ruin Ricky's perfect record and have naysayers coming out of the woodwork saying Hatton's career was built on beating hasbeens.

2. There's no way after a loss that Hatton can AGAIN decide to run back down to 140 (he'd look like a total coward for doing that twice), so he will now be forced to stay at 147 and fight at a weight where frankly I can't see a single top fighter (Mosley, Cotto, Williams, De la Hoya) who Hatton can beat, thus he'd likely lose his next fight and more naysayers will jump on board saying Floyd ruined him and his confidence.

3. He vehemently dislikes Floyd, just as Hagler vehemently disliked Leonard, and losing to the person you despise the most will eat at you for the rest of your life as we all know it's done to Marvin.

I don't agree with the last two for reasons already listed and as to the first, don't a lot of people already say that.

[the wiz]

I'm not saying he will physically beat him so bad that he will ruin him like Chavez did to Taylor, but Floyd is about to destroy Ricky Hatton's career for these reasons:

1. He's going to ruin Ricky's perfect record and have naysayers coming out of the woodwork saying Hatton's career was built on beating hasbeens.

2. There's no way after a loss that Hatton can AGAIN decide to run back down to 140 (he'd look like a total coward for doing that twice), so he will now be forced to stay at 147 and fight at a weight where frankly I can't see a single top fighter (Mosley, Cotto, Williams, De la Hoya) who Hatton can beat, thus he'd likely lose his next fight and more naysayers will jump on board saying Floyd ruined him and his confidence.

3. He vehemently dislikes Floyd, just as Hagler vehemently disliked Leonard, and losing to the person you despise the most will eat at you for the rest of your life as we all know it's done to Marvin.

The only point I disagree with is running back down to 140. How does that make you a coward moving up in your weight for a fight, then moving down?

Hatton will probably be coming in just over the 140 limit. I think Floyd wins, but it won't ruin Hatton's career.

[LEGION]

Quote NuthaPug"Well, then, in that case, I CC'd you.

I think Hatton's win over Castillo was a valid win but slightly ambiguous. Castillo may not have been, when in the ring with Hatton, the same Castillo that probably did really hand Mayweather his first defeat. I know that to say this sounds like it detracts from a Hatton victory, but since it may be true anyway, that leaves Hatton's victory over Castillo slightly ambiguous in terms of how much of a feather in Hatton's cap it is.

The good news is that I haven't heard anyone in the world even hint that Floyd Mayweather is past it, over the hill, not what he used to be. A bit slower and less powerful (as indicated by fewer KOs) at upper weights, perhaps.

Nor has it been said that Ricky is past it.

Both Hatton and Mayweather are on top of their game. No excuses of that nature will apply. Whichever of them gets the win will have a W that can't be argued downward in value the way Hatton-Castillo can (whether you agree with it or not). The ambiguity about either fighter just doesn't exist in terms of where they are at in their career.

That's a Good Thing."

Right on, 2 of my favorite fighters going to get what I consider to be a great matchup with each other. I expect Mayweather to win and actually predict a stoppage due to cuts by the 6th or 7th round if Floyd does his thing. But Hatton brings it and will give this guy fits if he can get him to the ropes. Only way Hatton will win is a k.o., and to believe he can be the 1st to do it is kind of stretching things. Win or lose he will get my respect for trying, especially being how small a guy he really is, even next to Floyd who is not a big man in any sense of the word.

[katfight]

and just to point if Hatton does take the win and IF many ppl see it as due to holding/wrestling
then they should remember that........
PBF is p4p#1 so should be able to adapt his skills accordingly to win the fight even if Hatton holds
and if he cant adapt and Hatton wins(i hope he does) then nobody can take any credit away from him

[littlebif]

Hatton has said it will be one of the best days of his life to share a ring with PBF.I think he is giving Floyd a little bit to much respect b4 the fight.

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[font=Verdana]The good news is that I haven't heard anyone in the world even hint that Floyd Mayweather is past it, over the hill, not what he used to be. A bit slower and less powerful (as indicated by fewer KOs) at upper weights, perhaps.

Nor has it been said that Ricky is past it.[/font]

How ever there is still time for the haters to come up with something!!!!!