To me Calzaghe still ain't that good.

[The Fightfan]

I gotta disagree I feel the only one who would have given him a big problem is Roy Jones, Toney not so much a devastating counter-puncher absolutely but I would feel Joe would do exactly what he did to B-Hop a high workrate and good in and out movement. You do have to take into consideration that the Joe Calzaghe we are seeing now is older,I feel the prime Calzaghe came when he fought Lacy and on that night he could have beaten any fighter in the supermiddleweight division past or present.

[Deanrw]

Here is what I think, but I am not sure. Toney and Jones would have handled him, especially Jones. McClellan I think he beats but I am not sure as Gerald was a devastating puncher with speed and could spark anyone out in any fight, including Jones.

Calzaghe to me is a good top champion, but has not proved himself against other true elite fighters in their prime. He is definitely solid all around and he might close the show with Pavlik which could elevate him even more. Even beating Jones now, would be good for him even though Jones is faded. He is definitely in my eyes, the most established Super Middle of all time. He will always be able to carry that title.

Many will say Kessler was elite and prime, but I will argue that point till I am blue in the face. Kessler had loads of potential and still does, but Kessler has never beaten a grade A or A- fighter period. He looked devastating against grade b- and c competition but was never prepared for grade A stuff like Joe. They got him back doing the same thing again. Palle deserves a punch in the f*cking mouth for what he is doing. Kessler never got a chance to be truly tested in a fight where he had to dig deep and because of that he never learned how. Palle always made it easy for him and when he got his big chance, he did not know how to cope, refused to take any chances in the fight and stuck to a game plan that was not working.

[Mar]

For whatever reason..no one has come along yet to prove he isn't. Saying an undeafeted champ of over 10 years isn't that good is kinda crazy. Some may not like him, his style, who he has or hasn't fought, but if he isn't good sitting where he sits in the sport and in life then i hate to hear what you think of all the people sitting below him, and those he's beaten. I don't necessarily like the guy and think he has almost no chance of beating pavlik but the guy could get his head completly knocked off and that doesn't take away from what he's managed to do.

[bambamdaddio]

Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

Yawn I wondered how long that it would be before The Kessler is/was over rated song was gonna be sung...and for a moment there bud I thought you was saying Winky was one of the men that Joe should fight and beat to impress you....

No I just read it again AND YOU ACTUALY DO SUGGEST WINKY, are you mad bud....seriously tho, do you mean the same Winky that helped Lacy in sparring to prepare for the Calzaghe fight, too small too slow, not enough versatility to cope with Joe....Even Benn himself suggested that Joe would have topped them all had he fought in that era....Collins would not have coped with him, not quick enough or skillfull enough and he could not intimidate Joe either....

Like Mayweather, Joe could fight till he was a 100 years old and would still get people saying, well he only retired to avoid this or that fighter....it's opinions aint it bud, and thats life, but for my part I have to say that Joe has done all asked of him, he has been avoided far far more than he has ever avoided,and though it is only my opinion some of the fighters you mention as benchmarks by which Joe should be measured against are insulting to the New Undisputed Super Middle Weight & Old Age Slapper From Wales....

Joe Calzaghe is without doubt the real deal at super mid in his era......Fact, his stats, titles and longevity through his era are testament to that...

So love him or hate him....lets give him is dues, he's a bit special is Joe and really should be deserving now of all respect....

Long Live The King,

[BoomBoom]

These guys had a combine record of 82-0 and have both fought and beat all the top contenders at super middleweight dominating most of the opposition and both these guys are overratted? Mikkel Kessler lost to the longest reigning champion in the weight divisions history in a competitive fight and he overratted. Clearly you have missed 39 of his fights. You could argue that before last night he has lost less than five rounds in is career. Also Joe would have faired well against all of those guy. I think he could even give Jones a good close fight but probably lose a decision.

[El Gamo]

The only Middleweight Clazaghe couldnt beat is Roy Jones Junior,who was superman. Other than Jones,JC gives most of the rest a battering. As for the other names,JC would absolutely WRECK Winky and JT and would beat Pavlik imo(although Kelly is a dangerous task for anyone!)

[Saddo]

Why aint i suprised at this thread

[porkypara]

Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

I think Jones would beat Joe in a close fight.

Tony would be a 50/50 fight.Could go ether way.

Joe would beat the rest easy.

[LBSCFC]

Why aint i suprised at this thread

lol I suppose if joe beats hopkins, wright and parvik on the same night some people wont be convinced by him

[Saddo]

Why aint i suprised at this thread

lol I suppose if joe beats hopkins, wright and parvik on the same night some people wont be convinced by him

what you mean an old past it hopkins... and 2 lower weight fighters

[Pugilistic]

joe could beat any of them expect jones.

mclellan only had one fight at 168 and lost. calzaghe beats him decision

toney would be a real hard fight for joe. could go either way.

joe beats colins decision.

benn would be tough but calzaghe would box him to decision

[LBSCFC]

Why aint i suprised at this thread

lol I suppose if joe beats hopkins, wright and parvik on the same night some people wont be convinced by him

what you mean an old past it hopkins... and 2 lower weight fighters

well i forgot to mention that he would have to have one arm tied behind his back too

[MIKAY]

I went in last night supporting calzaghi, by the 7th round was cheering for kesslar. If kesslar throw some more punches he could of won the fight as joe was scared of his power. After the forth round battering calzaghi recieved he was running for the rest of the fight, spoiling kesslars boxing, but all credit goes to joe as thats not an easy thing to do. The 12th round said it all for me, when kesslar went for broke joe couldnt handle the heat, only if he did that for the last 3-4 rounds of the fight and we may have seen a different scoreline.

Concering calzaghi with older greats, would have beat ben, collins etc. Toney close fight

BUT Roy Jones would have given Calzaghi a WHOOPING of a lifetime. Calzaghi depends on his boxing skill when in trouble and is better than most at it, but Roy Jones was a boxing perfectionist on par with Floyd Mayweather, and had knockout power too. No contest Roy Jones.

I was singing Joes praises before the fight but have lost a little respect since, if he were to beat hopkins, and either pavlik, taylor or winky - i would class him as one of the very best fighters ever.

[ono]

Can't believe i am posting in this joke of a thread but anyway.....

Mikay you have spelt both of last nights boxers' names wrong.....enough said.

Anyway

Calzaghe would have beaten everyone including Toney who only really beat one guy at 168 so going by that it's a bit difficult damm right foolish to predict he would beat Cazlaghe who was been unbeaten at 168 for over a decade.

As for Roy Jones.....he wasn't superman - he was awesome but to say Jones wins this fight easily is absolute nonsense. It would be a close fight. All i will say is.... Roy Jones would have struggled with Calzaghe coming at him and it would have made for an interesting fight.

Anyway to reel off a list of names who you stupidly believe would beat Calzaghe every time he whoops ass is just downright disrespectful.

[Tito BHB]

Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.

LOL

Nobody has hated on Joey C quite like me and check this out

Rjj - No

Toney- No

Mclellan - Close, but prob not

Collins Hell yes would have killed him

Benn - Would have shut him out

Lacy - Pre prime but a great win and the legit champ at the time so.. As far as the fact he has now won all four belts and legitimately.. That makes him the true ibf champ cos he beat the ibf man,
If i had the choice a win over lacy means more then the win over bute..

Kessler - OVERRATED? Fekkk no!!

Kessler showed alot of heart and skill , and it didnt come close enough
it was a hell diverse intense exciting matchup and joe passed with flying colours

So supermiddle who else is there?

Hes beaten all the lower tier challengers.. Manfredo is a credible challenger , not a test for a p4p'er but hes still easy top ten, Sakio is right up there

and Kessler was a legit champ, unified tried and tested, beaten mundine, beyer who regardless of factors was still a legit champ, beaten librado who was the most legit challenger in the division and whitewashed him

among all this who hes beaten and who his opponents have taken out hes done 168 hands down and got the pretty shiny belts to prove it..